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I hope this is OK to post this here. I just made this public after my NARC went to the pokey (hmmm...he might just like that)
Anyway, I did a few posts on a blog that was my private diary, The narcissist diaries (i know, i found out later there's tons of blogs with that name) but, at any rate, it was only supposed to be my diary, but now I share it with you.
To let you know that it's healing to do an online journal, and when you read back what you wrote - then read some of the stuff here - the stories and all our feelings are uncannily similar.
Let me know if i committed a snafu by posting it here, and i will take it down.
Thanks!
just thought id share
September 3, 2010 - 6:47am — jayceelisa, that is so cool, i didnt know that existed, i like it and i loved the prayer, i hope it works for all of us, as you know im in such despair, and so sad, i hope you are well and thank you for commenting on my posts, i so appreciate feedback. hope you are well today..........jaycee
Good morning my friend
September 3, 2010 - 11:06am — lisalisa47Hi Jaycee,
About the only thing that I had going for me is that I already started researching narcissism a few months back when I started to suspect my NARC might be one. And, I've always imagined myself to be a "novice" psychologist because for some reason, even as a child, I have been able to look "deeper" into what motivates one person to act as they do.
However I am a woman first and foremost, and this is where I falter. Just last night, I dug out an old notebook where I had the phone numbers I "borrowed" from his old phone, written down with his "friends" names that i had found from a few great websites that you can dig up the information.
At 11:30 at night, when i should have been writing articles and making a few extra bucks, there I was - staring at pictures of the owners numbers, wanting to wipe their smug looks off of their photographed facades - calling them names under my breath - when they probably didn't even know i existed, or if the girl happened to be an "escort" as i suspected - not taking into consideration that to "her" he was just another pathetic client with a little dope to share along with stolen finances.
It's a struggle with me too, i usually just deflect it with humor, but i shed my tears too, and feel like shit - just like we all do.
You will get through this my friend. Remember what I have said that I learned. NO ONE who is happy inside goes out of their way to hurt a good person. AND, when they do, what makes any of us think that they can sleep at night? They may not feel bad at what they've done to US, but they know they are screwed up, and this is what they are constantly trying to "fix" with: rips offs, lies, other partners, ANYTHING to fill that void when the rest of us know that you can't go OUTSIDE to fill something INSIDE that can only be filled by yourself.
Love Lisa
ps - that diary just became public yesterday. I wrote in it just a few times because if i didn't i would have died from the inside out. AND, for some reason, whenever I was writing songs, poetry or other prose that had to do with my NARC, he was RIGHT THERE at my side - it's like he KNEW
good morning my friend
September 3, 2010 - 11:49am — jayceelisa, thank you again, i am listening and understand we are all in the same boat, but i fear she will bully him into marrying her eventually or get herself pregnant to keep him. I just dont want him with her, she tortured me unbelievable, you couldnt imagine how hard she pushed for me to throw him out so as to have him for herself and feel victorious, none of his other women, except the one in the nineties, ever contacted me or bothered me personally, they hid it quite well, they didnt want him to leave and if they did, they never tried it with me. pls tell me he will move on pls
She will be left, trust me
September 3, 2010 - 12:02pm — lisalisa47PS - OH yes, he WILL move ON from that one, and every shitty thing she said or did to you will come back to bite her in her ass when he does - KARMA is a strong thing, my friend.
Have you ever heard the expression "Revenge is a dish best served cold?" Well, i used to say from the age of 14 when my first heartbreak occurred, "the best revenge is when you just don't give a shit". And, that will happen for you, someday, although hard to believe i know, you will grow SO Strong from this that you will what a coward he is, and you JUST WON"T GIVE A SHIT, and the revenge will come when he knows it and HATES it and SHE is fervently praying that she had never revealed her ugliness inside by trying to hurt other people. Beauty is only skin deep, ugliness goes all the way to the bone.
What ye sow, so shall ye reap" I am not a holy roller, but the bible got that one DEAD ON!
And they will both reap on this one, trust me on it.
Love
Lisa
Abandonment
September 3, 2010 - 8:16pm — Susan32The ex-Psych professor chillingly told me at the beginning of the "relationship" that marriage&parenthood were merely life stages to be transitioned through... think of them like train stations/bus stops. That's how he viewed them. He praised how Leo Tolstoy basically D&D'd his wife (not to mention mother of his 13 children) all for the sake of "serving God and mankind." Tolstoy vowed marital celibacy-against his wife's will-withholding sex and physical affection from her. He trashed her in his final years, despite how she had helped him with editing, bore his children, suffered miscarriages, etc.
He saw everything as temporary, including marriages.
He saw wives&children merely to be tossed away in the name of philosophy and the search for Truth. Glad I didn't marry THAT.... the pre-Cana counselor would've given him a tongue-lashing about the "till death do us part" part...
HI Susan, My NARC once told
September 4, 2010 - 4:12am — lisalisa47HI Susan,
My NARC once told me after we met a friend in the store whose husband had killed himself six month earlier (and my narc had been in rehab with him) that it was OK because it was "attrition".
My NARC was good at agreeing with women on sensitivity issues (that's how i got sucked in)until they got to know him. THEN he would say one thing, eventually act totally different, get pissed off if you dare bring it to the table, BUT could still discuss a female friends identical problem with her husband like he understood, and didn't recognize himself as a stereo type. Here's a question for you, do you think they REALLY don't know?
she will be left trust me
September 3, 2010 - 12:50pm — jayceelisa those are the most encouraging words i could hear, pls i pray you are right and he will leave her. shes ugly inside and ugly outside, she just gives him things i couldnt, degrading sex, adoration from a young woman, shes only thirty, shes demanding and controlling, where i was laid back and kind, gave him total freedom, etc.......she can buy him and i couldnt always struggling to keep up with thekids the bills etc..........but generous when i had. i pray they will SOON both reap what they have sown...........i pray.....
THEY WILL
September 3, 2010 - 1:13pm — lisalisa47they will - and remember this - SHE will perhaps feel pain, the greatest she has ever felt, but HE will continue to be reaping and reaping and reaping, as he always has - it will never end for him. I don't envy either of them.
You are in my prayers, you are wonderful. Karma works both ways - remember that. Just keep "payin it forward" like you have been doing, in reaching out to share your story and hear the stories of others, and also offering encouraging words as you have been. :)
they will
September 3, 2010 - 2:13pm — jayceelisa, thank you, as i cant stop crying today, he texted me and said, i could never replace and will never replace you i love you always.........I know its all lies, because he has already replaced me, many times over, especially with this one. why does he torture me, with his terrible lies, trying to make me feel better, guilt, why? those words only give me hope that someday he will move on from her and i will be able to move on from him. he says hes so unhappy and wants nothing more than to be on his own, but i dont believe him, i do know he has no money at all, he pays all the bills here, mortgage, cable, electric, gas, etc....so he is dead broke at the end of the month, but i do know he goes out with her all the time, as she pays his way so she can be seen with him. she wants him to feel the freedom of financial worry so he will stay with her.........pls lisa pray he moves on from her and i move on from him.........thank you my friend.....hugs jaycee
HUGS back
September 3, 2010 - 2:30pm — lisalisa47You got it sister, and do me a favor and pray for me that I stay strong and don't crumble if i should ever hear My narcs' voice again.
Love
Lisa Marie
hugs back
September 3, 2010 - 3:35pm — jayceeLisa, I will pray you dont crumble, or fall into the vampire's trap, they are vampires, but I do appreciate you saying that is the closest narc admission of love there can be. on some level, he has to know there is no one better than me, and I think that is why he crumbles for bottomfeeders like his whore, she's so far below me, it makes him feel on a pedestal.........larger than life, where I made him feel, unintelligent, unpersonable, and like the lowlife that he knows he is. I dont condon his steroid use, I dont his pot smoking and drinking, where she loves that, because she knows, it fogs his mind and she can semi control him, I didnt want to control him, i just wanted to love him.........hugs my friend and thanks as i am so sad right now.....
But you're learning
September 3, 2010 - 4:01pm — lisalisa47Sad you may be my friend, but from your reply I see you are finally seeing it for what it is, him for who HE is, and you for who YOU ARE - which is the best.
Love
Lisa Marie
PS - I am sad every day, some days more than others..I think we all can relate to that feeling here LOL
but you're learning
September 3, 2010 - 4:26pm — jayceelisa, its not that im learning, i do know all this, but it doesnt help me to rid myself of his web. it doesnt help me feel better and stop crying and having anxiety. or being so sad. i feel like my world has ended and nothing matters anymore, except that, my dream of the illusion, my dream of him holding me in his arms as i die someday, is now over forever. i did want to die in his arms, knowing he was the only man i had ever loved, and now, i will die without him, but at least i will have my children to hold me, and he will not. oh lisa, im sooooo sad.........thanks for talking, its helping.......
Sorry, i should have clarified
September 3, 2010 - 4:35pm — lisalisa47I should have said, you are learning to slowly accept what it is, even if you don't think you are, sorry for the confusion.
It's hard to rid yourself of the dream of an illusion, because illusion is often so much nicer than reality. I understand this sweetie, i'm dealing with it myself. How long have you been split up?
sorry, i should have clarified
September 3, 2010 - 7:07pm — jayceelisa, i threw him out about five months ago. it gets harder everyday, i never thought he would stay with her this long. i thought for sure hed move in with a co worker or to his moms and commute to work. hes making a life with her, as he comes here everyday, calls and texts and tells me he doesnt love her, blah blah blah, liar liar, he must think he loves her, or he would be out........i know him, he cant stand to be anywhere he doesnt want to be, yet, he has no funds to move and hes not coming back here.......oh lisa, i pray he moves on from her, as he had been fn her for over two years, wouldnt leave me, i had to throw him out...........
BASICALLY
September 3, 2010 - 8:04pm — lisalisa47Basically it sounds as though he's miserable, he's a NARC after all, but you are being punished for calling him on his bad behavior and throwing him out - like you were right too.
Yep, trust me, although he is ONE OF THEM he isn't happy (they never are, especially in a situation with a person like HER) or he wouldn't be calling you. But keep in mind, that this is one of the games they play when they are "coming down" off a relationship.
If you want to feel better, then just reflect upon this. Imagine how SHITTY SHE feels when he calls and texts you. You know she's had to have caught him calling you at some point, and you know (devious as she sounds) she has had to have taken a peek at his texts - it only takes 5 seconds. Think of that - she's suffering as he is pulling shit on HER now, instead of you.
basically
September 4, 2010 - 6:11am — jayceeLisa, what did you mean when you said "coming down" off a relationship, did you mean my hN's relationship with me, since hes coming down off it he plays the calling, texting, stopping by game? or did you mean he's coming down from his high, meaning the honeymoon period with his whore? Im not sure what you meant, because its been five months and he has no intention of not keeping me on a string, even if its for a lifetime. Im assuming hes come down from his relationship with her if hes already been cheating with others and continues to try and keep his wife on a string until he decides how and when he will make his next move. I m just praying he moves on from this nasty whore. as for her ever knowing he calls me and texts me, no way, she has no idea, trust me, shes a ballsy bitch she would have called me and said why are there texts to you, whats going on, even if i would just hang up on her, better yet, i would say, what goes on between my husband and i is none of your business, and then i would hang up........screw her, no way, she absolutely has no idea, none, she would go crazy, believe me hes so good at what he does, she wont catch on for years, hes the best at lying and sneaking, he knows how deep asleep you are, he knows if your sneaking around and he erases all his texts immediately and uses our family cell phone line, not the phone he has with her, to call and text me.......but dont worry i have insurance, i have a record of all calls and texts coming mostly to me and from, and a picture of every text as to what it says..........so he better be very careful not to rock the boat here. as long as he continues paying every bill in the house and gives our daughter money, then fine i wont show.....but until then i keep insurance, i also have all the empty bottles of steroids and used and unused needles with the packaging from when she was buying his illegal steroid when we were still together, it has her address on the label, he thought he was slick, he hid it in an empty dorito bag in the garbage, but i found it.......i keep a lot of insurance, because i cant afford for him to screw the house bills to play house over there, and so when she pays for everything, guess what, shes paying for my shit basically, now thats funny...........i am sad though, i hate that he lives with her, even if its pretend love, she thinks she has true love, and she thinks she saved a man who loves her from a horrible marriage with a woman he never loved. too bad she doesnt know hes tiger woods x10, but less the money............
Hi Jaycee
September 4, 2010 - 1:55pm — lisalisa47Yes, I meant when a NARC comes off a relationship with someone else that it isn't working with. Then they always seem to "appreciate" the steady one they had with someone else.
All men have this "buyer's remorse" so to speak (when they cheat or do something else that didn't work out to their hopes) but NARC's are the worst, i am finding out.
It's good that you keep EVERYTHING on him Jaycee. Even if you never have to use it you have it in case you do. Mine had "needles" everywhere, but once when I asked him if he was "shooting up" (which he had admitted he USED to do), he said he just kept them around to "trade" for other things...I suspected long before that he was shooting up, but i had no desire to ever catch him doing it.
I think we should put all of the them on an island, where they would get to wear a scarlet "N", and let psychotically deranged chimpanzees have their way with them. Maybe that would "cure" them. LOL
hi jaycee
September 5, 2010 - 2:34am — jayceelisa, thanks for clarifying, im glad you think hes coming off from her, but i think there are only certain days he feels buyers remorse, other days, he content to be with his sugar mama, who stokes his ego, buys him, takes him, etc, and they both have so much in common, the gym the tanning the beach bodybuilding things, etc..........he lied again, said, im not going away this weekend, and guess what, he went away with his whore. oh, so nice my dirty skank mother in law lets him and his whore sleep at her house and they all go to the beach happily ever after, well they can have each other, because eventually my mil will treat the whore the way she treated me for twenty four years, not good enough for her son, she always said hes too handsome to be married, hes such a gorgeous guy he should just play the field..........nice mother........twisted......
Sounds like that apple fell right NEXT to the tree
September 5, 2010 - 3:20am — lisalisa47Sounds like that family was set up to be abusive to themselves and others from day one.
I know this is hard for you because you are SO emeshed in having been in the family, kids, him etc, that's got to be very hard.
When you can do it, you should find a place away from his immediate area, just so you can start to heal. Until you can do that, and when you have some down time, try taking your laptop to a coffee shop where no one knows you, and you aren't familiar with people there, or even to a library in another town, and do nothing but read up on narcissm, and then journal your feelings. that's what i've been doing, only im 200 miles away from Jail boy, and where i'm staying im left alone pretty much during the day. It's still hard, but space between you can help - even if its just a brief break from your daily routine. :)
sounds like that apple fell right next to the tree
September 5, 2010 - 9:39am — jayceelisa, that sounds great but i am stuck here because i lost my job and have my daughter to take care of she is nineteen but has a lot of problems, and is stuck in a terrible place she cant get out of her own way, shes beautiful and amazing, but completely damaged, she saw so much her whole life and i didnt know she knew the truth, she knew of his cheating and never said a word, she never got over him walking out when she was six, total abandonment issues and she self medicates, so i have to be on her constantly, i cant believe im saying this outloud i hold it in everyday, i dont tell anyone ever about my daughter i hold it in and deal with it alone, which adds to my heartache, and my overall saddness, and now i am dead broke and cant even pay my own bills, thank God the narc pays all the bills at the house or i would be homeless. i dont know what i m going to do, wish i could run away and make all the pain go away. i guess today, im so sad and down, because i know im not helping my daughter, i know that all she has seen is killing her too, i try not to cry in front of her and pretend im happy and just worried about not having a job, but she knows, and he doesnt help, he tells me shes fine, and shes just like him she can handle anything, but he lies, he says that to make himself feel better, as hes a self medicator in a different way, his pot, his steroids his alcohol, when he does drink. but mostly his sexual prowling, thats just as sick, i know im not doing my daughter any justice, im not being the mother i should be, but things have been so out of control for so long, that i cant get back together, how did i allow this man to take my soul and destroy both my children, because as strong as my son pretends to be, he has serious underlying issues, anyone who joins the army in wartime, after going to a prestigious prep school on a full boat scholarship for academics and athletics, has to have had to run from something, and dont get me wrong, hes amazing and a great kid, and has always wanted to be a soldier, and yes i am so proud of him, but there has to be something there, because of all of this..... oh i wish i could be someone else............thanks for listening.........
You are who you are supposed to be
September 5, 2010 - 7:02pm — lisalisa47You are a human being first Jaycee, and a mother second. Especially during these times, and with your children being almost grown, take what you have told me to the table and present it to them.
Maybe not everything, but just your hopes, your dreams, AND your fears - along with the fact that you are human, and you also are afraid of what lies down the road. It won't show that you are weak, not at all, in fact, it may just give your kids the courage they need to admit to you, their fears.
I am no psychologist, but i do know that parents have certain things that are ugly about life they try to hide from their kids, and often those same kids are afraid of "adding" to the stress they see you are under, andso they stuff their feelings too - all this politeness can implode. So, again, lightly bring it to the table a bit at a time, and see if that doesn't help you three to form an alliance of togetherness.
You dont have to bad mouth your ex at all, just explain it as you see it as far as it makes you feel - because trust me, all the smiles in the world can be seen thru by kids.
love lisa
jaycee
September 5, 2010 - 10:07am — Usedive just read your post, that is so tragic about your daughter, and son, your daughter my heart aches for her,and now i know why you are in such a bad place, i cant tell you ,no one can when things will start getting better, but he has ruined all your lifes. you must get rid of him out of your life for good, he might pay the bills, but you realy are paing the piper, is there no way you can get any assistance financially ,to at least get this leech out of your life, as long as you have to reley on him ,you will never be free.
jaycee
September 5, 2010 - 10:40am — jayceeused, thank you, im glad you read, and you are right, he did ruin our lives, yet, i am too also to blame, as i allowed it. i just couldnt and cant get out of his trap. hes starting his shit again, about how hes got so much on his plate, and i make things difficult for him, etc...... but the push and pull is his way of control, hes miserable and such a prick to me, yet, i allow it, and i allow him to fuck up my daughter even more by letting her see my pain, hiding it doesnt work, shes a mess and i am too a mess........wish i could feel better and get my shit together.............i loosing it bad, and my world is falling apart, in every sense. please pray God answers my prayers, pls
jaycee
September 5, 2010 - 10:48am — Usedgod will help you jaycee, but to have to help yourself as well. until you stay away from him this is how it will be.
PS
September 3, 2010 - 2:33pm — lisalisa47He "tortures" you as you put it, because on some level he knows you are GOLD, told you. But he also tortures you because HE is tortured that he can't feel....anything but pain and rage for himself.
So take that as the best "love admission" you will ever get from a narcissist. But their love = pain and we don't need that, we deserve to get what we give...GOLD
I love your daily prayers
September 2, 2010 - 7:51pm — TraumaMammaSometimes, I have thought them myself.
The more I read, the more I am convinced I am married to an N.
I think we are ALL married to NARCS lol
September 4, 2010 - 4:14am — lisalisa47What i said...above....:) hahaha
We are all in the same boat
September 2, 2010 - 8:12pm — lisalisa47We are all there my dear. I think I have pretty much been involved ONLY with narcissists since the age of 24 - although the last one was the worst. LOL
Lisa Marie