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Has anyone ever encountered a "mild" N? Whati mean is, has anyone ever heard of someone having NPD, and overcoming the disorder? Not change or heal, more like remission times where they know who they are and they hate it and want to learn to stop? Are there any sucess stories? Maybe a smart man who worked real hard to cognitivly remove triggers, or behaviour modification? I'm being serious, I read 10 percent of NPD suffers can do very well when they face it and treat brains. Has anyone on this site known anyone?
Different levels
September 3, 2010 - 10:36am — Susan32From experience, I'll go from best to worst-
My maternal grandmother has been diagnosed as having NPD. To make matters worse, she's suffering from Alzheimer's. She is a Narc, but I'm able to spend time with her, have a GOOD time with her. Staying at her place meant watching Food Network and having ice cream. Not bad.
My former boss is a Narc. A bully, dishonest, liked manipulating employees, pitting them against each other. He CONSTANTLY threatened to fire a Narc employee who had been written up numerous times (but was NEVER fired) Still, he had hobbies. He liked music. Had some joie de vivre. Liked antiquing, going to China with his boyfriend, catering a lesbian wedding. I don't excuse his behavior. I've gone NC on him since the firing (he was fired 8 months after me)
My former professor is DEFINITELY a psychopath. Hates happiness in general. His favorite saying was "only a fool is always happy." He got off on seeing people in pain, had alienated his colleagues, including one he knew in graduate school. Major projection during the D&D. While some Narcs/Psychs use false apologies to reel their victims back in... he didn't even DO that. Has an aura of evil. Incredibly cruel. His cold lack of emotions scared people-professor and student alike.
NPD people don't end up in
September 2, 2010 - 7:30pm — BriseisNPD people don't end up in therapy or treatment for their problem. They don't end up accessing the mental health area much. You have to believe there is something wrong with you, and that you want help for it, to even get to step one. Being NPD pretty much cancels that out :(
I'm sure there are people who have a "lite" version of any mental problem.
Whether they are hard core or "lite" is irrelevant if they do not think they have a problem and don't want help for it.
That an NPD (even lite version) might wake up one day, or be convinced to change by a devoted loving spouse is a pipe dream. It just doesn't work that way.
It's very good to understand what NPD is, so you can get a proper, realistic view of your man. We need that so we can make a decent decision on what to do about the relationship. Hoping he'll get a grip is only a hope. ONLY a hope. Not something you can wish into reality :(
What matters is how it affects YOU. Are you miserable, depressed, hating yourself, feeling hopeless in the relationship?
Then it doesn't matter if he is a purple spotted six legged space alien in disguise! This is YOUR LIFE! You want to spend the next fifty years living like this? When even the psychiatrist don't hold out much, if any hope?
That is the real question :)
Reliability vs Excitement
September 2, 2010 - 10:54pm — anonymousIn emotional vampires, the book talks about what happens when normal people have a relationship with a Cluster B PD. The books compares normal people to Toyotas and PDd people to Ferraris. Normal people (Toyotas) are reliable, they perform, they may be a little "dull" (perhaps practical is a better word) and they do the maintenance stuff to keep their lives running as smoothly as possible.
Disordered people (Ferraris) are unreliable, perform only half the time and the other half are in the shop (or in bed depressed/non-functioning), are intoxicating and exciting and don't do any maintenance (boring stuff) to keep their lives running smoothly because that is beneath them.
Neither of these types in and of themselves are a problem unless a Toyota and a Ferrari try to have a relationship (of any kind, professional, friendly, intimate). The Toyotas like the excitment of the Ferrari but they suffer by expecting the Ferrari to be exciting but reliable at the same time. They simply are incapable of being reliable (or healthy) because they are disordered. And the disorder is a long-standing, permanent manner of thinking and behaving. Therapy or prescribed medications may help the Ferarri 'manage' his unhealthy thought patterns and/or behaviors - but it's only management. It's not true change. They cannot change these things because somewhere along the way, they stopped growing emotionally and are incapable of future growth.
And it's the Toyotas who suffer because they love the Ferrari but cannot help but feel betrayed when he can't be the reliable yet exciting person they crave. We have to accept that the Ferrari will never be the ideal partner, lover, husband, or parent that we wanted them to be. They simply cannot be that person.
So, what does this mean for us? If we can accept that they will never be who we want them to be and if we can accept a relationship in which we will always be maniupated, lied to, deceived and gaslighted - if the excitement and other nice things that the N brings to our lives are worth our self esteeem and mental health, well then we decide to keep them in our lives. We accept their crumbs because we can't bear to not have them around.
But, if we instead focus on ourselves and not them and stop trying to turn them into Toyotas with a Ferrari paint job ... then we realize that investing any more energy into them is futile. And it's better to invest in ourselves.
I haven't...
September 2, 2010 - 7:07pm — wholeagainbut who knows. In my own experience (two N husbands) they haven't thought anything was wrong with them at all, therefore no incentive to change--everything else is always someone else's fault.
I did see the ex go through some changes and improvements after he got some treatment for sex addiction. But that was only part of the problem, and under stress that reared back up. By the time that started re-occurring I had been so exhausted and my trust so destroyed, I didn't wait around to see if he'd improve again--I was done and out of there. Plus by that time I was better armed with info on NPD and could see that the problem wasn't isolated to sex addiction, as I'd believed before.
Mild Ns
September 2, 2010 - 11:54pm — Nicole96I thought my boyfriend had a chance. He is the one who first confessed he was afraid he might be a narcissist. Then after a comment he made to me we approached the possibility again. He looked up the symptoms read them to me and even asked if i thought he should see a therapist. I said of course, everyone should see one. It never hurts and everyone has something they can talk about. 4 weeks later he dumped me and it is firmly my belief that he bolted like he did because he all the sudden couldnt face the reality that he may have NPD. It has been a month since the breakup and things have gotten uglier and uglier it is very obvious that if he does seek help it will NOT be anytime soon! So until the events of the last month i would have said he was more "mild" and possibly savable but now...
mild case of a Narc-morty
September 3, 2010 - 6:39am — blueeyesMorty, your post made sense w comparison of the toyota and the ferrari. My H is freshly diagnosed and as I stated above our DR simply said "yes, he shows symptoms of NPD,yet there isremorse and empathy in him." I said " does the remorse and empathy come from inside him truely,or is he remorseful and empathetic for show in gopes to msnipulate us?" The DR said I have ways of testing that w o his knowing and we can get that answer soon. Ty for all of your answers! I need to start a new post because I have been sneeky the last few weeks and the results on my findings are odd!