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So after I smashed his windshield, apparently that was the last straw. I apologized, offered to pay for it, offered the use of my car, etc etc but he just ignored it all. Why, why, why am I still waiting for a normal, decent, respectful closure to this whole thing? It is enraging. After everything he did to my girls and me, he walks away AND I am left as the psycho girl who smashed his windshield.
Last night he walked home from down the street and was dressed up (meaning he wasn't wearing the same shirt and shorts he wears every single day). I don't know if there is one or if there are six women he has been hanging around with in the neighborhood all this time, but it's just freaking nuts. I just picture them together--him and yet another single mother, rushing to put her kids to bed so he can come over. When I think of the endless string of single mothers at our huge school, the women who are going to be eaten up and spit out by this guy over the next eight years, it makes my head spin.
Do you know what I asked from him this weekend? Forgiveness for what I had done. Do you think that J-O could forgive me for what I did after I forgave him for beating the shit out of me, cheating on me multiple times, abandoning my children on Christmas and destroying all of my hopes and dreams? Oh, no. It was the perfect out for him. Too much of a coward to break up with me so he tortured me for TWO YEARS until I cracked.
You guys know that we were never allowed to have sex in my bed, only on my couch and my rug. So last night I actually moved the entire couch onto his front lawn and threw all of the cushions and pillows on his doorstep. This morning he had moved it back and threw all of the cushions and pillows onto my landlord's beautiful garden in front of the building. It rained all night. So then, this morning, I took it back again. I texted him, "Keep your filthy couch for your next dog" and it didn't go through. He had blocked my number.
Why am I still so enraged that I keep doing this stuff? I know the only thing that hurts him is ignoring him, but I can't stop. I hate, hate, hate that I do this stuff. And my daughters are sitting on the floor.
Helldweller, you need to
September 3, 2010 - 12:01pm — ACgirlHelldweller, you need to listen to these posts. You have helped me several times with your posts. You are an amazing woman. I so understand. I have a second home in the country just a few houses down from my exN. I haven't been to that home in a year!! It's a beautiful home in the woods and I rent it out on the weekends to people just so that I don't ever go there. Once I went there about a year ago and I looked out my window to see if he was there was "something" else. Though I couldn't really see anything, I could feel the anxiety, frustration, hate,and electrical charge building up in my system. There is no way ANYONE could live next to their Narc. Not even Wonder Woman or Superman could do it. Perhaps Jesus could because Jesus would just feel pity for him. You MUST move now. YOU MUST. Don't think about how or if, you just pack your things and move!! He will notice that. He will probably even try to call you when you are gone because that is how sick they are. But forget about him. It's only about your children now. Believe me. Believe us. I have been foolish so many times. Even now, I still break NC. I am not as strong as I would like to be. But, if I were in your shoes, there would be NO QUESTION. I would move. I couldn't take seeing his bullshit. You are a great woman. You have been through hell. Get away. Get away now before it's too late. Please, please. Even though I don't personally know you, I feel what you are feeling and it hurts me too. We all know here on this site. Please get away from him. Your life and your kids are far to valuable for this awful man. Please do it for your kids. You will feel so much better quickly. Getting out of the environment is extremly theraputic. That is what my counselor told me. Please listen. LOVE YOU!! ACgirl.
Are you getting support?
September 2, 2010 - 3:41pm — herlatestvictimProfessionally, from a therapist? If not, DO. If so, go more often!
What helped me was realizing that an N will not validate your feelings, your experience OR REASSURE YOU IN ANY WAY, no matter what you do or say. They will not comfort you no matter how much pain you show that you are in.
HE IS AN EMOTIONAL HANDICAP AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO HURT HIM OR MAKE HIM UNDERSTAND YOUR PAIN.
The best thing you can do is STOP everything. That he will notice. That he will feel. But it will only be temporary. THEY ARE ONLY TEMPORARY. However, a criminal record is permanent!
I have been there...
September 1, 2010 - 10:36pm — TraumaMamaHelldweller- I am so sorry for where you are at right now. I have been there and it was PTSD adrenalin rushes that were driving me to do crazy things. During my divorce from narc #1, I took a sledge hammer to my own car because I found out that my husband moved my baby's car seat to have sex with the OW in MY car. I took permanent markers and wrote on his underwear delightful things like, "Slut, liar, pig, and 'not tonight-I have a wife." I would have never ever behaved like this in a million years but after 8 years of solid mental, physical,emotional,financial and verbal abuse and infidelity, I lost it. I even called all the women who were brazen enough to screw around with him while I stayed home caring for my kids and baking cookies for sick people at church. My PTSD got really bad when I jumped out of a moving car onto a gravel road to get away from him. Anxiety attacks all the time back then. I am lucky I wasn't hurt. The prolonged cruelty pushed me over the edge when he flaunted his affairs in my face intentionally. I feel your pain and your rage and understand it completely. To this day, this man has no remorse, blames me, and says I am a pyscho who caused him to cheat and abuse. The narcs will never get it. They are disordered. I am sorry.
Take care of yourself. If you wouldn't let your best girlfriend do something, then don't let yourself do it. (My mantra) If you can,completely cut all contact with this jerk for your mental health sake and for your children. I know this is hard to do. These creeps are crazy makers. I had to go into anger/self-esteem/trauma counseling. I moved away from him and our house because the house was a trigger. I quit talking to him. I was badly traumatized to the point where I was talking to myself, not sleeping, had flashbacks,and lost tons of weight. It took me 6 months of NC to stop. Take care of yourself so you don't lose your health. Can you get rid of everything that reminds you of him? A couch is just a couch but your kids are precious. Keep them close to you and try to ride out the anxiety if you can. I tell myself that it will pass and I will be fine in a little while. I deep breathe and meditate. In the heat of the moment, it felt good to act out the rage I felt for having been mistreated, but after that, it made me feel bad about myself. I know how hard it is not to lose control. You have every right to feel rage for the way that this man has hurt you. It is healthy to be angry and it is part of healing. It will get better. Hang in there....
Oh my gosh Girl...
September 1, 2010 - 6:35pm — gettinbetterI totally understand. The first time around with my N when I was in my twenties. I got a little like this. Busted him with a a girl in his driveway got out of my car and screamed tell her who I am. Tell her! Suprislingly he did and she jumped in her car and left but I was so freakin mad I was hitting him and he had to sit on me to get me under control. I was almost jealous that she just walked away because I couldn"t. Sweetie your looking for a resolution that you're never gonna get and its driving you crazy! literally. When you get crazy like that you are just feeding him and validating him and everyone is looking at you saying "he's right she is wacko" I know its easier said than done. Been there done that though I never harmed any of his property but you will never accomplish anything with that behavior. You just wont. Trust me I lived it. Ignore him completely. I mean completely. I guarantee in a couple of months when he thinks that this has blown over he will call. I wish that werent the case for your sake but he will. This is a horrible addiction to a drug that only brings you harm. Unfortunately you have to go thru the withdrawl symptoms and they are horrific. Atleast you know what he is when this happened to me the first time around I had no idea. I thought it was me. I was constantly thinking what did i do to deserve this? There must be something wrong with me. Dont allow him to make you look crazy! DO NOT CONTACT HIM! I know its easier said than done. Its easy for me to dispense advice that I dont always adhere to myself. We're all recovering addicts and its one day at time. Sometimes one hour at a time.
Too much drama...
September 1, 2010 - 6:18pm — Susan32When the ex-P sabotaged my teaching job with false allegations of "danger to children",I KNOW he wanted a reaction. If I had smashed his windshield or glued his locks, he would've been a One Man Hand Band... he WOULD HAVE relished it. Still, I stayed NC (and didn't give him my home phone or address) despite being in the same city. As long as I lived in the same city, the danger was there.
Your rage and disgust ARE understandable. The ex-P WANTED to see me go psycho and insane. A confrontation between his fiancee and I was something he would've enjoyed.
Please, you have to find a way to get out of this place. Have you considered moving? Are you able to? This is a situation where YOU end up looking like the "woman scorned going crazy"--and you're a GOOD WOMAN. He did you wrong. He wronged you deeply. What you do with your anger is your decision.
Save yourself and your daughters. He wants to see you go crazy. Your ULTIMATE STRIKE upon him is to capitalize on your publishing success, move on (leave him in the dust-hope he finds it delicious!), and BE SANE. You are a SANE woman. He gets off of seeing you lose control. Let go of that.
Destruction
September 1, 2010 - 3:43pm — janineI am afraid that one of these days we will be hearing no more from you, because all that hatred towards him and yourself, will have made you do something terrible. So then we can all puzzle and worry, has our friend been taken into prison, hospital or what?
It must have been about a fortnight ago we've been discussing this, remember? You said, you had made an appointment with a therapist. Hopefully you are going there regularly? While that will help in the long run, you sound as if you might explode any minute. You need help NOW. Please, please, please, go and see a doctor. Get something to calm you down. You said you were going to move in October. Any chance you could take your kids and stay with your Mum until then? You simply must get away.
Make a decision you will not let this man win. You will do all you can to not risk a nervous breakdown. You will feel the agression but not act on it. You will remember, what Marilene tells you, that your kids need you. Promise?
helldweller
September 1, 2010 - 3:30pm — jen79I agree with the other posts. I understand you, but this has to stop as soon as possible. You need to get out there - now. Is there anyway? Can you move to a friend, to your mother, family member right now? I don't know the whole story why you can't move out now, if is financial, is there anyone who can help you out?
Helldweller, it won't get better, till you have huge space between you and him. You are acting out, cause you feel helpless. But you are not! You can do this, get yourself out of this situation. Get yourself away from people who bring out the darkest side of you.
I did some crazy stuff too, I invented stories to get some reaction from him, this was a turning point for me, asking myself, who the hell have I become, I am woman who starts inventing stories to get attention, I don't want to be that person, it needs to stop now.
Please, get yourself help, ask someone to help you to get away from there! You don't have to do it alone.
I will ask you a very
September 1, 2010 - 3:02pm — MarilineI will ask you a very serious question.
Do you want to lose your daughters?
Because if the social services know only a little of what you have been doing there is a high percentage it will end this way.
I have told you what you need. If you are a mother, think about it and if it's worth to lose your precious daughters FOR A MAN. For any man.
Hon, there's nothing else to
September 1, 2010 - 2:57pm — BriseisHon, there's nothing else to do but get a grip on yourself. You've glued his locks, smashed his windshield and now thrown your couch out on the lawn. That doesn't include all the other less dramatic things that have happened.
You didn't do any of these things against your own will. At the time, they felt exactly right to do.
There's something happening inside of you that is very destructive. There's no softening this, or blaming it on him and the stress of him refusing to give you closure.
Something is wrong. The good new is, that you are capable of getting some help, and doing the work on yourself.
Take your life a ways into your own future. What will your children think of your behavior, when they are old enough to judge you as adults? You too have to live with your actions, what will you have to live with?
This isn't his fault. This is all your behavior. Only you can do something about it before it escalates into something you really can't live with. What if CPS got a call about this stuff? We here understand where you are coming from, but your neighbors or some witness might not :(
Try to think of all the consequences. Not to beat yourself up or hate yourself . . . but to get the motivation to get some help for yourself. It's not about him anymore :(
My son said it best to me
September 1, 2010 - 1:40pm — goldieHi Helldweller,
My 24 year old son who is very spiritual and insightful said to me while I was in the thick of it with my X.
"Mom, what are you doing? Why are you allowing this man to control your world? I have never seen you like this before. You need to find a way to get this man out of your heart and life. This is not a good situation. He has a pull on you that makes no sense. This must be old childhood stuff. You really need to dig deep and find a way to let go of this insanity."
He then put his arms around me, held me and said, Mom it is going to be O.K. God wants you to have your hearts desire and I don't believe for one second that it is with M.
Helldweller, your N is VILE, he is SELFISH, ARROGANT, and a basic PIG!!! Sorry to be so harsh, but I have disliked this sorry ass from the beginning of my reading this forum. He is dirt, he is a horrible role model for your children, he is a bad person. He is toxic to your soul.
I could not live next to mine as you do. I understand you are moving soon, however, I would find a way to get out of there now and cut your losses. I would most likely be reacting in the same way if I had to look at my X and his OW and daily activities. There are woman on here who have had to leave the state to get away from these guys and you are living right next door to him. The anger you experience is perfectly normal and I have had my share of anger over my X. What is of concern to me is the acts towards him which could land you in jail if you keep it up.
Please for your own sake consider a plan for moving NOW. This is a horribly triggering set up for anyone. You are in my prayers today and always. My heart goes out to you and what you have endured from this N. Just please, stop allowing him to set you up for an even bigger fall.
God bless,
Goldie
I agree
September 1, 2010 - 1:52pm — alma25with Goldie. If only you can, have even a one, small chance to move from there, do it right now.It's no good you're still there. You're acting this way because you're exhausted and you feel completely powerless. You must catch some distance, have some space and now you live in the middle of the hell. If I were in your shoes I would act the same way. You act just like a hurt animal who has no place to escape and is just running around, feeling weaker and weaker.
Don't do this.
You're such a great person and mother. You must think about yourself and your daughters who shouldn't look at her mom when she is hurt. They want you to be happy, secure and strong. But it's impossible when you still live so close to him.It just can't be done this way.
Run away
Big hugs
A.
Understandable but not healthy for YOU
September 1, 2010 - 11:01pm — RinaldaI think they wear a person down to the point that rational judgment sometimes goes out the window. But I agree that *you* can (and need to) stop this, though. For your children and yourself, take back your power by cutting him off and out. These a*&holes like nothing better than to see our pain or fury.
Better to be the one who drives them mad than vice versa
September 1, 2010 - 11:40pm — Susan32The ex-Psych professor acted crazed after I was all calm, cool, and collected after meeting the OW. I had TOTALLY messed with his plans for me to die of a broken heart/kill myself/go mad. He had withheld from me... and I was withholding out of sheer spite. At the time, I didn't kill myself for the simple sadistic pleasure of seeing him lose his marbles (if not, I would've gladly taken them)
I HAD to cut him out. I told him (to his face) that he ENJOYED seeing me unhappy and in pain, that he had acted PURPOSEFULLY. I didn't voice my disappointment in a pained, weepy way but very coolly, like a therapist.
Sometimes I wonder if my current state of happiness to the ex-P is like garlics and crucifixes for vampires. During those 4 years, whenever I was happy, the ex-P avoided me like the plague. When I came across as needy/in pain... he fed off of it. One of my classmates observed, "He HATES happiness." The ex-P didn't so much hate me as he hated happiness. One of his favorite sayings was "Only a fool is always happy."
If happiness is the best revenge.... so much for the BETTER! Happiness to a Psychopath is like serving up a nice fancy omelette made from those salmonella-tainted eggs.
I agree with Susan about self control
September 3, 2010 - 12:15pm — lisalisa47driving them mad. This conversation thread brought back a memory that i just realized now, made my NARC mad, although at the time i said it, it would have made any other normal man grateful for the joke.
We were at the store, and he ran into a friend he hadnt seen in a long time, he says "This is my wife Kim" (Kim was the only girl who turned the tables on him, and henceforth i had found out he was still trying to screw around with her but denying it)
As the friend turned to shake my hand, and said Nice to meet you Kim. I said, Hi I'm Kim, but you can just call me Lisa"
He didn't like that one bit! LOL
Lisa Marie
Our self-control is a form of controlling them
September 3, 2010 - 4:20pm — Susan32Watching the ex-Psych professor's meltdown was like watching a kid stomp his feet and cry because he wasn't getting his way. Just as he had stood back, cold and unapologetic, as he reduced me to tears... I didn't react at all to his temper tantrum. I didn't bat an eye but kept my appearance of superiority. He was the one on the leash now... (how fitting, his name is Hebrew for dog--down, boy, down)
The ex-P would rage in class whenever I disagreed with him, or his students would side with me when he was getting out of line. He'd rage at Q&A sessions after his lectures. How nice that college students are more narcissistic these days... he's probably getting a taste of his own medicine.
7 years ago, I sent a postcard to the ex-P, thanking him for being NEVER being my boyfriend, giving the reasons why I did NOT miss him (the longer version is here at this site), dispensing advice about respect for others that sounded like fortune cookies, calling him a lying, arrogant bully, and mentioning a couple of professors who deserved tenure more than him (but never got it) It wasn't written in an angry, creepy tone, maybe it was more passive-aggressive. I also ended it saying "I forgive you","I know you are incapable of sincere apologies" and "may you and the OW have a happy, fruitful marriage/God's blessings on you both." I talked about his insecurities, constant anger, paranoia, etc.
A NORMAL person would NOT like being called a lying,arrogant bully and have a bunch of fellow former professors as more eligible for tenure than him right before getting tenure. Then imagine being a NARC with delusions of godhood getting that before getting tenure... not only is your soon-to-be-enjoyed achievement mocked, but it's dragged through the mud...
Me three
September 1, 2010 - 2:02pm — wholeagainPlease find a way out of that environment before you do something that lands you in a legal mess or a newspaper article on top of the rest of it. This isn't good for you or your daughters, as has already been said.
Time to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps girl, and stop this insanity--he doesn't even have to hurt you anymore, you're doing it yourself and giving him plenty of satisfaction. Stop it!!! For your daughters if nothing else!
Begin to live by the mantra
September 2, 2010 - 3:32pm — gigi9Begin to live by the mantra "No more drama in my life" and then do whatever it takes to live drama free........you and your children deserve that....first and foremost NC!