no rhyme or reason........

no rhyme or reason........
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last night i couldn't sleep....and i was laying here thinking..wondering..what was it that he saw in me..what was it.

there seems to be no real rhyme or reason in his choice of victims...more a matter of opportunity and convenience i think..

i've come to know quite a bit about his first wife...and a couple more of the psychonarc's victims...and i cannot see a pattern..
not in demeanor...or hair color...or height.or age...or background...
nothing..

it makes it even more difficult to try to figure out what it was he saw in me...what drew him to me...so i can make sure i never attract another one...

the psychonarc doesn't have a type...i mean...now he's got a drunken felong BOYFREIND...he seems to have no preferences in victims....

have any of you noticed any striking similarities between yourselves and previous or current victims of your Narc?...

herlatestvictim's picture

This is hilarious! Great question...

My N is a lesbian... has deep issues with mommy.

The main source of supply- girlfriend: must be 3-5 years younger than her (easier to manipulate/control), slim build, attractive, dark hair/dark eyes, preferably latina. Must put up with all the cheating, emotional and otherwise. Also, must accept that their needs, families, everything about them comes second to the N.

The secondary source of supply- me and the other girls on the side: slightly overweight (must think that equals low self esteem), older, smart, very maternal and loving (hello mommy issues!), attractive, family oriented, no children, preferably straight or appears to be! Must expect NOTHING in return, as soon as you do, the mindf*ck begins!! Comes across all of them (us) in a predatory fashion, even called me her "victim" once. Always finds "us" on the internet or WORK.

We ALL must have nice teeth, hair and nails! Loves polished nails. ALL must be "in love."

So many similarities between the N's that we all have become consumed by!

narcnarcwhosthere's picture

the psychonarc's victims.......

haven't all had good qualities...he's predatorized several predators that i know of..and brought them down even lower than they probably already were.

as for the gay angle...well..here he is living with a man..convicted felon, drunk, drug addict and sociopath..

in a way, it seems like he has finally reached his own level..living with a drunken piece of gargabe that is his own REAL mirror image!!...

loveofmylife's picture

What was common? Read all about thes Oscar winning acting roles

I have thought about this question alot over the years. Because his supply comes in all different nationalities, different cultures, different education levels, different religions, different political views. I couldn't get it, until I finally found this website and figured that they all were supply to him....so he wasn't looking for anyone who matched him long term in terms of nationality, culture, polital beliefs, etc.

He is just casting his movie with different roles. These roles don't need to last for a lifetime.... they only need to last as long as this movie lasts. And then he can recast for the next movie that he produces!!!

And the Roles are::::

Cameo Appearance in a Feature Film: The "girlfriend": The person who plays this role must have a great, athletic, slim body. Nothing else matters about this person, because the only thing he needs the GF for is sex and companionship (someone to go to dinner with a weekend outings with). So even at age 50, he looks for women about the same age as him, slightly younger maybe, but they MUST have a great, slim, athletic body. That is why he said he could never think of me in a "relationship manner". Because I am about 10 pounds overweight. Also, to play this role, it is best if this woman has a lower level of intelligence, doesn't ask alot of questions, and is pretty independent and naive, so that she doesn't figure things out. The girlfriend isn't allowed to be in alot of scenes, so that he is free to play the role of single guy. She just shows up from time to time when a girlfriend is needed and so that people don't think he is odd not attached given all of his spectacular qualities. The way in which this role is cast is that he goes running quite often. He is a marathon runner, and his MO is that he meets these women at marathons and training. These women are VERY athletic. Every sexual relationship that he has had - starting with xwife, was a marathon runner. This is THE only similarity. Every nationality you can imagine, etc, etc. And it seems that the intelligence level drops every year. xwife was very intelligent (but damn she got smart), xfiancee was also very intelligent (but damn she got smart), so now he goes for the lower intelligence. He does not get emotionally close to these. It seems the whore thing.

Best Supporting Actress (me and his other married emotional lover): This role is played by someone who he can have intelligent and deep conversations with because he can't do this with the person cast in the GF role. The role is played by someone who is intelligent, has alot going for her, and is deeply empathetic, loyal, honest, trusting, and genuine. The role is played by someone who he really could have been with long term as we are a match in every way. The role is a lifetime role. He spends much more emotional energy and time with his Supporting Actresses then he does with the GF. However, the role must be played by someone who is IN LOVE with him. It does not work for this role to be played by just any intelligent, empathetic and caring person. They must be IN LOVE! This person is fired from this role if they figure things out - as I did. Oh, and these actresses play the Madonna role. These are the ones who get the Mother's Day cards every year.

Extras: There are various bit parts that are played by whoever he meets on Chemistry.com. The only qualifications for these people are that they must be semi-good looking, good body is desirable, and want to have a good time. And they must have a vagina, because this will come in handy for the love scenes that he will play when things are not going well with the GF.

Barbara - do you think I got it finally??

ForeverLearning's picture

You're Well On Your Way

I think you are well on your way to no longer caring about him and realizing he is not worth your precious time or emotional energy.

Don't feel bad, getting to this point after 22 years certainly takes time.

Learning and healing is a process, doesn't happen overnight. Only little by little.

Be easy on yourself in this entire emotional mess he has made of your head.

I'm proud of you! Like Virginia Slims, you've come a long way baby!

And remember, there isn't really a beginning or an end to this journey of discovery......

Sometimes I think of it as, escaping Crazyland and making your way back to Normalville, without the creepy Taxicab driver (The Narc) who took you to Crazyland in the first place.

And I think you have packed you bags and have hit the road to get the hell out of Crazyland.

You go girl!

p.s. LOVED your movie role analogy, GOOD STUFF!

loveofmylife's picture

foreverlearning

Thanks for all the feedback and encouragement. It really does help!

Barbara's picture

almost

just about
don't think you have fully grasped that he is NOT human and has ZERO redeeming qualities.

btw we are not IN LOVE with these guys - we think we are - but we are not

~~~~~~~~~
Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth. - Franklin D. Roosevelt

Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals

woundedsoul36's picture

Hair...

He likes my hair as long as possible. He once told me " couldn't have too much hair for him"...he also preferred hair, neatly trimmed and manicured in the nether region..."mohawk" over it bare (which in the summer/bathing suit time I would do) He put an end to that but liked no hair anywhere else. (sorry for TMI)

I'm still figuring out the "abnormal eating" habits that seem routine. My N goes through phases of eating homecooked foods prepared by him to phases of dashing out at midnight to McDonalds. I do know he hates grocery shopping and would almost always call me if i wasn't with him (almost to be his support/hold his hand while he ran inside).

woundedsoul36's picture

but as to his "type'

but as to his "type' pattern
All of us have been "intellectual", have careers, single mothers, (except his college x).
I can say that one was a cute girl

woundedsoul36's picture

Oh and I forgot! HE LOATHES

Oh and I forgot! HE LOATHES chipped nail polish. Even a slight nick..he'll notice. He informed me of it , not in a bad way...but in a way I "knew his displeasure" *shivers* From that point on, I never saw him without perfectly polished nails...

neveragain5's picture

There was a pattern with

There was a pattern with mine. All his ex, long-term girlfriends were blonde, like me. And guess who else was blonde? His mother.....I found it to be weird though, because it seemed that he also liked dark haired women. At least in the small time that I was with him, he seemed to prey on those types. He told me at one point that I would look great with black hair. Riggghhhhhtt, black hair would look like crap on me!

Kelly's picture

Ted Bundy had a pattern

He murdered women who had long hair parted down the middle. They say it's because his first girlfriend Stephanie would wear her hair that way. He began his murdering spree after she dumped him. Eventually, he seduced her just to D&D'd her after she agreed to marry him. He didn't murder her. I guess he must have thought that D&D'ing her was all the revenge he wanted.

Kelly's picture

You responded to the seduction

I really think that's all there is to it. I never met any of the previous gf's or post gf's of any of the narc's I dated, but I do know that there is a pattern within me for falling prey to them. That's why I'm so glad to be waking up finally and learning about myself and about the methods they use to seduce us.

I think these guys are predacious and when we respond with ebullience to their advances, they see it as a vulnerability. I think our initial excitement lowers our guard just enough for them to worm their way into our hearts. We begin to trust them and they know it.

They test us the whole time, little by little, to see what they can get away with. The more they can get away with the more brutal they become. Until of course you become so predictable they are simply bored with the game, or they have gone as far as they intended to go and that's when they D&D you and move on to the next game.

gullablegull's picture

I've noticed they all had a

I've noticed they all had a pulse.
He likes the athletic bodies,
and the older he gets, the richer he gets...
he keeps trying to move up the totem pole....
but funny thing is this.
He'll never find someone that is as genuine as I was...
and not to sound conceited, but I looked far better than he did too! He might find them younger, bigger boobs, it won't matter.......none will last.
I don't think he'll do the homo thing though......
He is 53, but looks 65. He won't be able to play the game much longer.......
What happens to old narcs? Do they die alone? Or are there lots of people there to witness it and celebrate?

MsVulcan500's picture

I thought about that too.

I thought about that too. What was the common denominator? I do know the last 4 of us are all the same age. 5 of us have or had a nurturing type career (healthcare, teachers, daycare, etc.) that would be all of them but me. 3 of us were single parents when he met us. 4 college educated, 1 high school dropout. 3 white, 3 hispanic. I can't really figure it out.

The only thing I can think of is we were good targets because we are all kind caring people, and that is what he wanted to be.

woundedsoul36's picture

homo thing?? I read that

homo thing?? I read that some N's may be closet homosexuals, please elaborate gullablegull

Kelly's picture

I think it's true to some degree

Both of my last ex N's brothers are gay and I'm thinking they all have mommy and daddy issues. I think they all hate women on some level, but I really can't speculate too much about what went on in their family growing up. It could have be much much worse than I could imagine.

One of my ex's who is definitely narcissistic, but I'm not sure if he's a full NPD told me he is gay.

The psychopath I was in a relationship with a couple of years ago didn't strike me as a homosexual, but he was definitely perverted and sexually abusive.

Barbara's picture

similarities

with most of the Narcs/ Sociopaths - we were breathing, trusting, compassionate and had a vagina.

with a couple of my Narcs/ Sociopaths - they were envious of me and used my emotions to get into my "sphere" and cut my legs out from under me with lies, bullying, intimidation and disinformation campaigns.

but physically - I was breathing and human. They were definitely NOT the latter.

~~~~~~~~~
Repetition does not transform a lie into the truth. - Franklin D. Roosevelt

Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals

aceonelady's picture

mine told me....

we did look alike,even the shape of our eyes,face features...but he did like slender women,with small breasts and a nice a*s like that turnstar Lila Stepanova ,and those games figures warriors women ,mexican indian types....and light colored....i am half brazilian half italian light skin auburn hair,hazelnut eyes and in the first months he was wild about me speaking 7 languages,very independent and very married...voor 28 years....Then suddenly he said he wasn't attracted to me,i was a very nice woman but not for him...and that happenned when he left his children's mother and went to leave alone and asked me to go be with him after my husband left....then suddenly in 2 days he turned into a complete other person i thought i was losing my mind,never saw something like that only in that movie Dr Jekkil and Mr Hide...he changed as a cameleon from hour to hour,was really crazy making,i still don't know what hit me...i have good hours and bad hours and this has been a year and 4 months ago,i never came back to myself as i was before i met him 3 years ago...i am in a very bad movie after more than a year therapy....Yesterday i watched a movie,The Collector with Terence Stamp,after i broke down,that caracter told the same words to his girl hostage that mine ex N used to tell me!And the end of the movie let see how a psychopat and narcissist thinks in the last 2 lines he says at the end of the movie! shocking ,but an eye opener and very clarifying about this disorder,i will say ladies if you get the chance watch it but is very confrontating....But i am glad i did is clear as water how those guys see us....