I know that many of us here were either the Girlfriend/ Wife, or unaware/unassuming OW of a Narcissist or Psychopath and found out only too late about all the lies and their secret lives behaind our backs.
I consider now that my WTF moment came at the moment when I first realized his mask slipped...it was the day I found out he was on singles/dating websites (several) and trolling for other women, meeting them and chatting/dating during his work and lunch hours when I wouldn't find out.
The day I found out what a liar and cheater he was, was when a woman notified me in an email and on the phone about her recieving emails from him trying to get her to go out to lunch with her. She said he had written to her on a Dating Website, and that he had a active profile there too. I was so stunned and did not believe her at first, as there were absolutely NO signs of either his lying to me or cheating. NOT EVER!...NONE, ZIP! ZERO! (which to this day I find so incredible...how he was able to hide it all from me, as I am very observant and smart...or so I thought!) Anyway, after she sent me all the proof, and also the name on his profile and how to find him...I also discovered he was on other dating sites as well...
I broke it off immediately!...was heartbroken and confused...and he honeymooned and hoovered me like crazy for 3 straight weeks on a daily basis...flowers, chocolates...the whole nine yards, until I finally believed in his 'half' confession that he was only 'looking' around out of habit one day using 'old' profiles from before he met me...and would NEVER do it again...and he handed me proof of closing all his profiles...and I stupidly gave in and gave him another chance...I STILL did not realize what he really was at that time...he pleaded 'guilty' only of being afraid of committment and that he realized I was the 'real deal' and that we were going to be 'married' some day...yeah...he said all the right things!
Now, 2 more years later...his mask just doesn't stay on except when he wears it to impress other people...
My Prince Charming was really a humongous Liar, Cheater, abuser and has a history of violence...long before I ever knew him...and he was able to hide it so well...I think mostly because he has no sense of real guilt, or any remorse...only fear of being found out, and a sense of entitlement...fueled by an extraordinarily excessive need for validation/attention, etc... he is insatiable...no matter how smart, pretty, caring, sexy, or loving I am...or ANY woman is...he will always be like this...(and for an entire 1st year I NEVER knew!)
How did your's hide his secrets? When did you start to have a 'clue'...how did you catch him (if you did)...what did he say? (denials, blame...the usual? Or did he try other tricks to get you off his trail?) What did YOU do when you knew what he was REALLY up to?
I was never able to confirm it...just suspect
Fri, 03/26/2010 - 18:40 — MonicaMy xN/P is a cerebral (intellectual) narcissist. And he is NOT good looking or well built at all. If you passed him on the street, you would not look twice at him. I never had solid proof that he ever cheated on me. Personally, I think that he much prefers taking care of his own needs (if you get my drift) than having sex with any woman (or man, which has also crossed my mind). However, I remember receiving a few texts over the years that seemed very out of place, as if they were not intended to me but were sent to me by mistake. He told me twice that he had to cut back on texting me because he had missent texts. The implication was always that he missent to someone else texts that were meant for me. But my gut feeling was that he had been texting someone else and then missent to me. So....no solid proof. He's a big self-satisfier. Huge on porn. Not at all good looking. But I truly suspect he had cheated, if not the whole time, then and again. The times he broke up with me were most likely times he had found another source of supply. But they must not have panned out because he always came back to me.
monica
Fri, 03/26/2010 - 20:46 — enoughalreadyAlways trust your gut instincts. To prove to myself I was right. I saw one of the women who works out at the same gym and for some reason out of the blue, I asked her what she thought of (my ex's N-his name) and she said "oh, I went out w/ him a year ago and was turned off cause he was too agressive w/ sexual txts. She had no idea we were together. Not only was I shocked, I was devastated. So-if u feel he cheated- HE DID!! Truth comes out eventually-in my case, years later .
how i found out
Fri, 03/26/2010 - 15:36 — JanetThe girl tweeted about the amazing time she had skiing at Alpine and going to a Kimock concert until 4:00 in the morning. The girl was in his MBA class - he had said he went with a bunch of guys. When I confronted him he said he had no reason to feel guilty, that he didn't tell me because I would freak out...if I would quit "snooping" it would all be fine. It was on twitter! It continued for 6 more months more openly all the time. until I finally left.
Peace. J
pretzel logic
Fri, 03/26/2010 - 15:41 — Barbaraif I would quit "snooping" it would all be fine
so many of them say this - and it never ceases to make me laugh until I cry...
the pretzel logic of it is STUNNING
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The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein
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i shoudn't even go there....but what the hell...
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 10:11 — narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)the first little clue came early on....not too long after we were married.....one day i come in and there is a message on the answering machine for the psychonarc....from a man...an obviously gay man..asking him to dinner and a show....uh huh...soooo...he comes in...and well, inquiring minds want to know.....so i inquired...OMG...first he attacked me for listening to the answering machine.....'how DARE you invade my privacy by listening to MY answering machine!'......'yo..we're married..it's OUR answering machine'... guess he'd forgotten..on to plan B....'you crazy bitch..that's just my mother's hairdresser..trying to be FRIENDLY'....uh huh...some day i'll post about how the bastard couldn't walk past a public restroom without running in to take a look.........
public bathroom,lol
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 10:17 — rachemy ex psycho could hardly walk normally,but,if he thought i was going to get the phone would practically run and fall to get the thing! LMAO-said he was afraid to get a fking phone call as i was so damn jealous! I answered the phone before=hang-ups.
Lost Count
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 09:11 — dysenchantedThe first time was about 2 weeks after we were married when I found a piece of paper in the clothes dryer with a woman's name and email addy on it.
Found evidence of secret email account a few weeks later. Then hang- up calls late at night. More secret email and IM accounts over the first year we were together. I put a keylogger on his computer, and the sh** really hit the fan. He had a virtual harem. I asked him to leave,he promised to stop, get into therapy, blah,blah,blah. All he really ever did was cover his tracks better. This kind of stuff went on for the entire 8 years that we were together. By the end I had reached the point of no longer caring. I stopped checking and I stopped reacting to it. I think that the loss of that supply from me is what told him it was time to D&D me and find a new victim.
Amazed...I am amazed how he was able to hide his secret life
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 07:22 — The Girlfriend ...OMG! Amazed Sweetie! What a horrendous story. During the entire time you were dating him for over 3 years..he NEVER gave himself away...never a single 'clue'? OMG! He is in the same league as mine...VERY practiced at lying and hiding his secrets.
I cannot imagine that day for you. Your heart must have felt like it was pounding out of your chest. It sounds like a good scene for a movie...what a difficult, hurtful, but finite way that you found out! At least NOW he could NOT LIE to you or deny all his lies and blame you.
It amazes me that his other GF, who you never knew about, actually gets in your car and asks you to take her home and you guys have a chance to compare 'notes' and you see the truth without all his denials. Wow. I bet the look on his face was priceless when he saw you standing there, and then his other GF got in your car with you...he was probably shocked to be caught...these guys think they can get away with ANYTHING. Too bad you didn't have a camera with you...It would have made a good picture (his mug shot when he was caught) to post all over the internet about the day your now EX N BF was caught with his 'pants down' so to speak...or at least a good pic to enlarge and hang on the wall for a game of darts with your friends...
willful stupidity
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 08:08 — Barbarayou know I will never understand how Psycho-Boy was using sex chat lines, cybersex chats and hookers for 4-5 years and his wife - who's a CPA! - didn't catch all that money going out...
I'd have been so suspicious about those sorts of charges or cash withdrawals...
and I'd bet he's back at it. Talk about willful stupidity.
that's where we're different- eventually we DO get it and distance ourselves from this scum
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The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein
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2000 miles
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 09:54 — racheof distance and a divorce at 3 months in.DIRTY MINDED OLD MAN/PSYCHOPATH.....you'd have to stick an electric cow prod up his a.. to get his d..k up,lmao,and,he still thinks he's a catch(vomits).
I am glad you found out about it
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 21:31 — AmazedBetter you found out about all his crap. I am glad she was proacive and contacted you so you could SEE the truth. To think that how they string you along, and keep it hidden, they will and can do it for years.
My ex N,,exposed him after 3 and a half years. I never would have thought in a million years that he would have done this to me.
He was living with/dating another woman with 4 kids the entire time we were dating, and lied for the entire time.
I don't understand compulsive lying, I got the guts and figured it out one day when he did not txt me back for 10 hours. I drove to his house to see WTF was going on.,,,no more than 4 minutes he come careening up the drive with another woman in the car.
I opened the driver door on them right when he drove up (he tried to put the car in reverse when he saw me) however I reached over, opened up the car door, looked right at the OW and told her I was dating this guys religously for over 3 years, this is my name, this is my phone number, got into some facts, she looks at him, asks were you with her,,he said yes,,then she told me she wanted me to drive her home.
She got in my car, we went to her house, we talked for about 3 hours, she showed me all the family photos, her ring, his promises,,,blah blah blah.
Shocked, completely.,,,,,,especially if you knew all the work and sacrafices I put into the relationship.
Well he brainwashed her, it is beyond repair.
I am completely shocked at their bullshit. When I look back, I should have seen it all along.
dating web sites
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 12:10 — sparky2009I totally found dating profiles and he said they were old and I believed him ! I was such a fool ..ALso found porn on my browser history he convinced me a random guy from my complex had come in and done it .. he was also the one who always got blamed when money came up missing . I so wanted to believe that he wasn't a worthless puke. Once he left me pregnant for a friend I could no longer deny it . And he has just gotten worse since . I still can't believe she doesn't see through him. She s known me for years and not once asked me my side of anything.
sparky2009
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 12:22 — rache((HUGS))the betrayal of these WORTHLESS pieces of sh.t is so great,but,it hurts even more when the so called friends we have known since childhood turn out just as sh.tty
EX-psycho and EX-friends
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 12:29 — racheThey ALL~got off at my expense-mocking me,laughing and devaluing me behind my back etc-one ex friend is a Jehovahs witness who goes to church on a regular basis-her son training to be a leader of the congregation(HA!)what a mockery SHE is!I reported her actions to the elders of her church and told them HEr history of adultery on her husband....SHE said i was un-trustworthy,LMFAO-this while she was leading my psycopath husband on and eating up his FILTH.
Cheating
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 10:06 — racheSame as you i caught him up in lies-called my now ex friend/s he didn't even know-nor they him and whacked his limp d..k on their answering machines=even my married sister said he called breathing heavy in her phone and playing music!!!!! I caught him on several dating sites using phony profiles-ages/states/profession/s etc...looking for 20-30 year olds and he is almost 67 with second pacemaker,diabetes,neuropathy,high blood/cholesteral and ED .....has more fun jacking-obviously used my body as an object-evenh though he made it appear he was trying to satisfy me.
The Face of the Devil
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 10:31 — seancunninghamN would get the look of the devil about him. N projected evil. When N would go missing and come back tired...I knew. The whole being was a lie. How does one like a false persona?
Thanks Everybody
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 11:39 — The Girlfriend ...Thanks for your comments and replies. I guess the thing that fascinates me is how they can hide and get away with what they do and who they are (Liars & Cheaters). I mean I GET it...that this is who they are...but dang if it just doesn't make my head swim! I may KNOW that mine has been a cheater and liar from the get-go...but it is hard to wrap my mind around how well he was able to conceal his real self...it is their ability to project an image and convince us this is who they are...and then we find out they are actually such heinous people we don't recognize.
Mine didn't hide it
Thu, 03/11/2010 - 16:46 — malloryforestMy STBXNH didn't hide it. He left a card for me to read from his gf. Then he openly dated her right in front of me and the kids. He believed he was a better person because he wasn't lying. Instead, he would take showers when he got home from work, get dressed, and take off on his date. He would leave for days at a time to be with gf, and then return like nothing had happened.
The whole thing was really sick, and I am so glad I got out when I did so that my kids did not have to witness any more of his abuse.
Good for you! All these
Thu, 03/11/2010 - 18:37 — enoughalreadyGood for you! All these messages makes me hate my ex so much more and endure the NC forever!
ONE
Thu, 03/11/2010 - 17:10 — rachedate with the GF and his clothes,etc would bev out on the front lawn and locks changed.My old psychopath hid his sh.t and lied like a RUG when caught-gas-lighting expert.
the Girlfriend
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 15:15 — racheI struggle with that at times too,as,my old psycho looks so benign but in fact a VERY adept psychopath-scary as hell i tell ya.
Here's a Pic of Us
Thu, 03/11/2010 - 10:54 — The Girlfriend ...At the top of this post is a pic of him and me...looks like "Mr. G Q"...a happy, positive, handsome and 'great guy'...
Read my story if you are interested in finding out more...
They are SO scary...especially when disguised as such a 'Dream Man'...the proverbial tall, dark & handsome' sort.
Mine could be a movie star...the way he looks...and 'acts'...
...can't even imagine in a lifetime that he is NOT what he appears to be...it is hard to sort out the difference between what he appears to be...and what he really is...
OMG
Thu, 03/11/2010 - 11:35 — racheyou two do look like a dream couple-beautiful people.My ~DIRTY MINDED OLD MAN~looks just like what he is-a nasty,filthy,foul-mouthed,whoring,cheating,lying,loser!((GAGS))his ugly (EX)wife #3 is a lawyer,so,can keep him out of trouble with the law and make my life h.ll as per his/their threats....
HOW OLD are you and your ex THE GIRLFRIEND?
the girlfriend
Thu, 03/11/2010 - 11:27 — quietudeMan, I must be jaded because the first thing I thought of when I saw that picture was, 'could you move your arm a little up more...toward the neck...and squeeeeeze???' ;)