I received this email in response to my asserting the fact that I wanted a safe and reliable meeting spot for exchanges -- particularly after he choose a spot next to a XXX shop. I choose the library and a restaurant ... completely appropriate and this is what I got ....
oh btw, I ignored it, but what sucks is that this stupidity is going to cost me legal dollars. Is his lawyer a prick or what to defend this and not tell him to shut up. I don't get it. Do they really think this is appropriate?
First let me say again to you that your demand does not conform to the agreement you signed on August 10, 2009.
Be aware that the agreement does not give you a unilateral right to decide on the meeting locations. In fact, the agreement is silent on the nature of the meeting locations and the means by which we are to reach agreement. It merely states that "the parents shall share equally (50/50) all transportation between" their respective homes. Your demand is that I do much more than 50% of the transportation and therefor does not conform.
HOTEL A was previously selected and agreed to by you because you had stated that you wanted to meet at hotel lobbies. This location is 37.95 miles from where you live and 39.25 miles from where I live. If this location was used for exchanges, you would be doing 49.16% of the transportation and I would be doing 50.84%.
You are now demanding that I travel 45.67 miles to pick up S (57.19%) while you travel 34.19 miles - (42.81%). Further, you are also demanding that I meet you at the PLACE B to return S to you.. This location is 39.25 miles from your home and 40.06 from mine. Again, you are demanding that do more than 50% of the transportation and a variance from the contract.
To reiterate my previous statement, I do not feel that there is anything inherently inappropriate about transferring S at HOTEL A. It is a clean hotel facility belonging to a national chain with what we now know is a friendly staff. It is less than a quarter mile from Interstate XX and very easy on/easy off the Interstate for you. I am not aware of any statistical data that indicates there is anything "unsafe" about the location and I am not sure about the motivation for your comments. I would agree that the neighborhood demographics are likely not similar to your own, if that is the basis for you sentiments, but I do not feel it is appropriate to profile people based upon racial or ethnic characteristics. I am surprised that you object, since you have never once expressed any fear in all the time I have known you about visiting you grandmother in Brooklyn, which is certainly a very diverse neighborhood and not very affluent.
I also object to the demand on your part that S be transferred at the children's room of the PLACE C and your assertion that this is an "appropriate" location. In fact, I do not feel that it is appropriate at all, because as you are well aware. S is very familiar with libraries and to enter into a library will create an expectation of library-based activities for her. Thus, I believe it is poor judgment on your part and you are setting S up for disappointment and perhaps even a tantrum if she doesn't get to stay at the library. I think this is very unfair to her if our plans happen to be different and incompatible with the expectation that she would now have.
Since it is you who personally finds the HOTEL A objectionable, I propose that you agree to drive slightly further south and meet me for both pick ups and drop offs at the HOTEL D. This distance is 40.83 miles for you, and only about 1.5 miles more than the PLACE B location you demanded. Again, you have expressed a desire for hotel lobbies on multiple occasions in the past. In fact, since travel to the PLACE C involves significant surface street use, you will likely find travel to HOTEL D even faster than the library, as this national chain hotel abuts Interstate XX and there are ramps immediately next to the hotel. I invite you to explore the location on Google maps and satellite view. Judging from your previous comments, you will likely find this location appealing.
All distances are calculated using directions by the shortest route from Mapquest.com, an impartial source of travel information.
I would also remind you that I requested a 12 PM meeting time for March 20. 2010 on a one time basis to accommodate flight availabilities.
Please let me know your reply to my proposal as soon as possible. If you do not agree to my proposal or offer a reasonable counterproposal for my review which respects my concerns within the next 24 hours, I will proceed to request that this issue be resolved through my lawyer, as time is of the essence.
so he went to the lawyer ...
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 20:07 — reneekhe took that bullshit story to his lawyer and they sent a letter to my lawyer so now I am going to incur legal fees because he needs to be in control. This is bullshit ! I have 2 choices --- if any of you want to weigh in let me know. I can let it go and then bring it to the GAL that it was forced because of economic duress or I can fight it for say another $200-300. We haven't even gotten to the GAL. I have a good case on it. If I don't fight it I will be subjected to go to a really really really crappy area that is further for me for the next 3 months until the hearing and instead of him coming for Father's Day which is appropriate for her -- he will see her for a Red Sox game. According to the agreement the language around Father's Day is "Father shall have child" and he wants another god damn accommodation to see her the weekend before so he can go to a Red Sox game. It is all bullshit. He is setting me up as someone said to be an obstructionist. So what do I do -- let him have his way on all fronts, surprise him, throw him off balance and then bring it to the GAL or do I fight him now -- I will win on all fronts I truly believe.
That's so tough. I don't
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 21:32 — itreallyisabouthimThat's so tough. I don't know. My first instinct is to accommodate him but let him know that you strongly object and are doing the stuff under duress. Make sure you point out that the details have not been negotiated in good faith. If you take the road of peace and be as pleasant as possible, it puts you in a better position for custody, I think. That he is strong arming you and using the visitation as a way to d*ck you around should show through to the GAL, as will the fact that you are being reasonable. It is that second part that is hard to define, I know. Not feeling like you have a voice in these things sucks. But something inside me says that unless you are impeccable it will be harder for the courts (or even the GAL) to see with full clarity that you are not part of the problem. Does that make sense? I look back on some things I have done and written and though they seemed justified at the time now the picture is muddy. I can now see how if you didn't know exactly what was going on at the time it would be impossible to see that we weren't both being unreasonable. This stuff is so hard.
good advice
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 21:38 — reneekit seems so bloody unreasonable - that me the single mother needs to drive further -- it doesn't make sense.
reneek
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 22:11 — Barbarafight it!!!
and find a new attorney and demand she starts charging him for money he costs YOU. My attorney did that and boy did it slow W A Y down... almost to a halt.
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that is what I was also thinking
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 23:22 — reneekgot 3 names of attorneys today -- will try to break away tomorrow for calls. I still need to call my attorney to have her give and answer - her is some of my logic ... any thought?
These are the critical paragraphs the refute his requests from the agreement
J (1) “The father shall enjoy overnight visitation with S one weekend per month at his home in X, unless additional weekends are agreed on by both parties. Father’s weekend visit shall be the third weekend of each month. In the event the third weekend of the month conflicts with the Father’s schedule with his employer, he shall notify Mother of this conflict at least 3 months prior to the conflict and the parents shall select an alternative weekend. Father shall be allowed to reschedule one weekend per three month period.
J (2) Parties shall schedule father’s monthly parenting weekend on the weekend that includes Father’s Day.
J (6) “the parties shall be the only people present during the exchange of S, which shall be accomplished in a public area, such as a hotel lobby, library or restaurant unless otherwise agreed by parties.
Anyway, here are my arguments that I want to give my lawyer tomorrow:
Restaurants and libraries were agreed to in the agreement so it should not be a problem
PLACE A is a known entity as we have made several exchanges there over the past 2 years
The library is a known entity
Also for clarification, in his letter from his lawyer he says, we have used the HOTEL B before, we used the HOTEL B in Z once and I objected to it immediately after the exchange and it is documented in an email from Feb. 19
The hotel he chose was once again unilaterally decided by him and is not a known entity for safety and comfort and after the last unilateral pick of a hotel the hotel was in a very seedy, blighted area next to a XXX shop and liquor store he doesn’t have much credibility in choosing a venue.
The reason we still do not have a meeting spot 7 months post settlement is because HE has unilaterally changed the spot and asked for accommodations for each and every visit so far.
Last visit I was forced to drive 40 miles extra to be in a safe area — it was the only option I was given though I had given him several reasonable options that were midway between X and X.
This is harassment – we can use the bully argument forcing me to use child support in order to find appropriate exchange site for S
The venues are conducive to parenting time for either parent. Mother or father can interact with S in a child appropriate venue before or after exchange thereby comforting her with the transition. The same is true for a family friendly restaurant — either parent can dine with her either before or after exchange
X is the town exactly in the middle and it was the town we have always agreed on, not X.
Also, when S did his calculations/percentage crap he did the shortest mileage with the longest drive time. The appropriate route using interstate X is a similar distance from B and C
About the weekend of June 13 - it is not in line with the contract being that it is a special month as it is Father’s Day weekend particularly after missing Christmas. The scheduled visit for Father’s Day is for the benefit of both S and her father. S has the right to be with her father for such an occasion.
reneek
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 08:50 — Barbarathis is the second time I have had to hunt through a post and remove names, places, etc.
I simply do not have the time to keep doing this. Please be more careful in the future or I will have to simply delete any of your posts containing place names.
this is a public board and you are talking about the safety of yourself and a small child.
btw - I still stay FIND THE NEAREST POLICE PRECINCT and make THAT your exchange point.
reneek
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 08:19 — BarbaraIn the future - children's names, ex-es names, addresses, places, routes MUST be removed as this is a public board and we try to protect our members. If not - I will simply delete the whole thing. (this also takes some time to do)
the net is FULL of predators.
this dirtbag doesn't GET that it's about your child's safety not your/his driving convenience.
and his language is to gain pity for himself - you are 'DEMANDING' - asshole needs SUPERVISED VISITATION. period.
deal and sorry
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 11:02 — reneekyou are right. I thought I got her name out of there, but the locations are more dangerous. Thanks again for cleaning it and I will make sure that doesn't happen again.
I just called the GAL btw, and my heart was racing. In her picture she kind of looks pretty hard and that is scary. My lawyer, who is useless, absolutely useless, says that this GAL should be good for our case as she will cut through the BS very quickly.
reneek
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 13:55 — Barbaranew lawyer - ASAP
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Hard is good when it comes
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 13:35 — itreallyisabouthimHard is good when it comes to a GAL! They are so used to this crap it's sad. You want someone who doesn't want to please everyone a little bit but rather really sincerely looks out for your child. My forensic psychologist (expert witness I've hired to shore up my case) says that's pretty much what judges do, unfortunately. Said it's sad how often judges like to make both parents a little happy and a little disappointed. They try to not be too unfair (based on the parent's perception of fair, mind you) to either parent. Total complete utter BS. Not their job to worry about the freaking parents!!!! You are so doing the right thing in getting a GAL. Keep us posted on how it goes! I should have the report from my expert witness fairly soon. Hoping he helps my case and sure hoping your GAL helps yours!
I hope it goes well for you too !
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 20:02 — reneekHow old is your little one? That sucks what you say about the courts, but it is totally what I've seen so far too.
No one should be meant to live this way -- I get a pounding every single day and night there is no rest from him.
A True Gift And Blessing
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 07:59 — ForeverLearningThis is actually an incredible gift and blessing for you in that it once again reinforces the fact to your brain that he is a completely PETTY BASTARD ASSHOLE LOSER.
Not that you needed any further reinforcement of this concept, I know.
But down the road, should you EVER have a moment of weakness about having fond feelings for this man, just pull out and re-read this email or better yet, tape it to your bathroom mirror as Barbara often suggests. That'll cure ya!
The worse Narcissists are the ones who HIDE who they are with mask on. His mask is gone and no where to be found. Awesome!!
The pettiness here he has shown towards his childs mother is beyond sickening.
What a pathetic little assclown he is!!
TURBO BASTARD
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 07:27 — narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)what a miserable POS....this is all very familiar to me...their propensity for hatefullness is astounding...the simplest thing turns into a HEELMARK HALL OF FAME drama!!...i hate this bastard...
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what a great way to wake up
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 06:03 — reneekall of your emails had me in stitches !!! Hilarious. Yes, for some reason lately as I decide not to engage I am able to see the humor rather then anything else. That has always been my coping skill -- humor. Over the past few years, I've lived in so much fear humor wasn't even an option. So definitely thanks for your great comments and good laughs ! Barbara, question, how will I ever get supervised visits at this point? I am afraid for going for that and then having it blow up in my face at the moment. All the lawyers I talked also said do not ask for a psych evaluation -- they told me that the the GAL may be able to order one if she is able to see through the crap. I definitely need to go back to the drawing board with lawyer searches, but today at work many of my dear friends and respect colleagues will be left without jobs -- I, too, am hoping to find a seat in the chaos. The week will be insane with emotions -- and guess what role I am in the office -- Human Resources -- so I will have a revolving door for the next few days. If I get to break away from that mess I will work on this mess. It is a good thing I have some spiritual beliefs and live by the 2 quotes "everything happens for a reason" and "god never gives us more than we can handle." If anyone lives in the Boston area and hears someone chanting those 2 quotes over and over and over again on the T (our subway system) -- that would be me, ReneeK !! Can I just say ahhhhhhhh. Before I close out on this response, I will say not engaging is really helping me to detangle from this mess as hard as it has been ignoring him seems to be the only path back to mental health.
Thanks guys and truly I will find another lawyer. I am working on my letter for the GAL and may post it up here for comments when it is done ... it is a bit long so I will do it little by little each night ... if anyone is interested in providing insights or comments.
There are no words... I just
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 13:31 — itreallyisabouthimThere are no words... I just sort of threw up in my mouth a little bit. How many additional increments of miles could he have driven in the time it took to type out that batch of drivel?
Holy mother of G. I mean this man actually makes my N look tolerable. Definitely makes me appreciate his ineptitude.
I Googled the hotel and checked out the area via Street View. I see the XXX store and the area definitely looks seedy. I would take some photos so you have them handy for the judge, if you haven't already. Judges love visuals, from what I'm told.
ETA - Drat I'm sorry! I should have thought to warn you that if I could Google the location so could anyone else! :( Glad it was removed! I have already forgotten where it is, and I live thousands of miles away if it puts your mind at ease. Oh - and I'm not a sick predator. There. That should do it :)
reneek
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 02:52 — grossotThis is exactly 157.52% stupid.
Are you shitting us? I can hardly believe this. Of all the things....
Notice how he leaves out how much shorter the distance would be for him to drive where he wants to do drop off/pick up.
Gawd, he is so smart isn't he? You should bow down to him for being so insanely intelegent.
I predict suicide for him someday. He's driving himself insane (but that's your fault, right?) Lol
And reneek, how dare you even imply that your daughter go near the library. You and your crazy ideas about educating and culturing your child! Puleeez....
How often do you drive past the librayr and she throws a tantrum cuz you didn't stop? Uh, let me guess? 0.00 times?
You should calculate the statistics on personality didordered people who off themselves and send it to him!
(Not really)
Oh my! Thanks for the laugh reneek. Try to stick it out. You are doing the right thing by not responding.
Here's hoping his chances for ending up in hell are 273.99%.
Stay strong.
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lol
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 11:19 — quietudegrossot, you are too hilarious!!
reneek, this is such a lovely piece of evidence to keep for court, and possible psych evaluation, if you're going that route, to prove his severe instability!
I mean, who does this? Anal, abusive wacko's, that's who! Mine did this in other ways with other things....N's certainly are quirky and are undeniably odd creatures.
I totally agree with Barbara, use the safest place and means possible for the exchanges...afterall, you're doing this for the safety of your children.
And what's HE doing???? I think a judge would be very interested that safety was not first on his mind when planning meeting places.
Unbelievable!
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 23:16 — MsVulcan500Renee,
Holy cow!! You are demanding that he drive 1 mile farther than you have to drive on an 80 mile trip? Oh, I'm sorry. It's .84%. Yeah, that's way more than the 50% you agreed to. How can you be so selfish? *GRIN* Why don't you suggest that you both drive exactly the same distance and stop in the middle of the interstate and hand her over the cement barrier in the middle. On second thought, don't suggest that. He'd probably think that was a good idea as long as he didn't have to drive more than 50%. Or, maybe you could both drive somewhere totally neutral like Chicago to make the transfer. Then maybe you could both drive EXACTLY the same distance.
What a loser!!! Don't let him get to you. Do not answer him. He's being totally ridiculous, as usual. And I can't imagine his lawyer would want to take up this argument. If he does, then he's just in it for the money.
I also like how he's trying to sound like a lawyer using big words he probably had to look up.
You might as well break it down steps paced to the centimeter
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 23:43 — AmazedPlease. This is so irrational. It is like he is viewing this a a video game, strikes, blasts, 1.5 miles transversed to the right.
I am sorry you have to go through this kind of communication with him.
Ok. Play his game. Harder.
Respond with an email about what is the 50/50 centrifical point, and if it is in the middle of a field, it is fair.
I personally think hotels are a weird place for exchange.
Its a pity he cannot just arrive at your house on visitation days, pick Sophie up there, and drops her off there at the end of visitation.
Likewise, there are days then you might have to drive to his location.
Is there a way to do this? Is it feasible?
I understand your frustration and desire to protect your daughter.
Library is good. It is not "if she is going to throw a tantrum" it is a parent's role to help her through that, and prevent the tantrum.
You are adults, and can do this as her parents. She will deal with it. The smoother you can do this the better.
Meeting him at a hotel is like meeting a grocery store. "Well what if Sophie expects us to spend the night, we can't bring her to the hotel, she might throw a tantrum"
I still think best place to meet her is
1. Home
2. School
3. Pre-school area
4. Where her activities are
She should be the center of this, not the Days Inn next to the XXX store.
reneek
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 00:14 — Barbarawhere's the closest POLICE PRECINCT??? to that XXX store???
that's where I used to do my exchanges... the closest PRECINCT.
AND GET A NEW DANG LAWYER SO THEY CAN DEAL WITH THIS.
DEMAND A PSYCH EVALUATION AND SUPERVISED VISITATION and do NOT let anyone talk you out of it. No way JOSE.
DO IT AT THE CLOSEST POLICE PRECINCT - they are happy to oblige. Never a HOTEL/MOTEL. Never.
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he sounds as nitpicky as
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 00:38 — Mhe sounds as nitpicky as mine...
They will try to use a legsl document to serve them. Mine accused me of enrolling my daughter in Spanish classes as infringing on his custody time---even though the classes were after school & before his work day ends! It's about controlling YOU. These N's are relentless. Mine is suing for the dog which I told him he could have even though it was bought for our daughter.
Mine just recently started bring my daughter to church. (We're both raised Catholic....he NEVER attended mass except fot Christmas & Easter!)An obvious
PR campaign. She finds it boring & resents him forcing her.
I would love to find a christian-based children-oriented place in vegas...
Get a lawyer that understands your ex. Mine never said my ex was an N...but he did say that my ex's ego was way bigger than the room & I should minimize contact (email only regarding our daughter or business matters)and Do Not Engage!!
reneek
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 00:44 — Barbaraget a copy of this book:
http://www.bpdcentral.com/bks/spy.php
ASAP!
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