This is something I've been struggling with for years. I'm very glad I found this site. I guess I'm looking to understand what I'm dealing with.
22 years ago I was married. Went into the marriage with doubts - things just didn't feel quite right - we weren't close emotionally. But he was a good guy, so I went through with it hoping that we would become closer after marriage.
6 months after I married, I met the Love of my life, at work. I was instantly attracted to him. It's as if it hit me like a ton of bricks. He was smart, masters from an ivy league school, athletic, the most gorgeous person I'd ever seen, very happy, funny, and we INSTANTLY bonded. He was single, but in a serious relationship at age 30. We worked together as much as possible. He made me feel like no one had ever made me feel. He understood me like no one. He flattered me publically and privately constantly. I had never felt connected to anyone like him. He was my soulmate. After three years of working together and me struggling every day trying to decide what to do with this relationship, we go on a company retreat to Napa. I had decided that on that trip I would profess my feelings to him (although I think he knew) and see if he wanted to pursue a life together. I was still married (but had no emotional connection to my husband and it was falling apart) and he was engaged to be married. We had an amazing time together on that retreat, talked about so many close and personal things - I felt like I was the one for him too. When I went to his room to talk to him about it, I was shocked to find out that his fiance was there. He had never mentioned she was coming, and we had bonded so closely on the trip - it never even occurred to me she could be coming. So I didn't talk to him and cried that whole night that I had lost the loveofmylife. They get married 2 months later and move away. Before he moves, he asks to see me, hugs me and tells me that he will miss me terribly - that I am the most beautiful, intelligent, witty, modest, fun to be with person he has ever known and he is really going to miss me. That we have incredible chemistry, and a special bond based on comfort and trust. Well, usually married people don't say this to eachother unless there is something deeper there, so I figure he must think that I'm the one, just like I figured he was THE one. But we just couldn't work it out.
Years pass, we both have kids. He gets divorced after 8 years as he says that he wife abandoned him. And he speaks vicously about his "ex"
I see my window again, that finally I can be with THE ONE. I could never stop thinking about him over the years. I had never been as close to any human being, my marriage is falling apart since we still have no emotional closeness and I make plans to move to be near him again. The Loveofmylife and I email constantly - we have intense emotional connectedness in our emails. He asks me to come out constantly (across the country) to visit him and tries to see me when he is back East. He asks me to go to Italy with him and stay in a villa, says it would be "just perfect" and again flatters me constantly. (of course we don't since I am still married) He is in and out of now I know dozens and dozens of relationships at the age of 40. Gets engaged to someone else and has her live with him and his two kids unmarried for three years (all the while claiming morale authority on everything). They cancel their wedding twice and of course he makes me feel like it is because of the feelings he has for me...that no one else could measure up.
We talk on the phone while I am still across country and it is clear that he is upset whenever he hears that I am doing something with my husband. But i assure him it is temporary and that I'll be moving cross country soon and be single soon. My husband and I talked divorce after 20 years.
We move cross country... and of course I am still receiving tons of emails from theloveofmylife where we are very intimately attached emotionally. We share all of our innermost thoughts, although I know he is seeing someone else. But I thought we were meant to be together. Although I had told him he was THE ONE...he had been more elusive about it and said he thought I was the finest person that he had ever met but he was finding it hard to think about me "that way" since I was married. But still I"ve never been so attached to someone, and it is addictive.
When I move, he stays a little bit distant since he is in a 1 year relationship. (I found out that although I thought he had been in one 1 year relationship with 1 girl, that he had actually been in a 6month relationship where he said that she wanted him to get her pregnant and he wasnt' ready. He told me this story in person and said "but I am committed to see if this relationship will work". Well, three weeks after he told me this, he went to Hawaii with someone else and his kids! and then stayed with her - I had thought it was the same girl, but it was a different one!)
But then starts calling me constantly to convince me to work with him again. So the first question I have - why would he convince me to work with him unless he felt the same way about me, since he knows I am in love with him and think of him as THE ONE? Unless he just loved the adoration I gave him. I said I wasn't sure working together was the right thing to do, asked him about his current relationship and whether he thought things would still work out between us. His response was that his current relationship was moving down the path to marriage and that he still hadn't decided what to do about our relationship.
So we decide to work together - it is amazing, we are a great team, just as before. Except now we are nearing 50. He is still the most gorgeous thing I've ever seen, gorgeous body and happy personality. I'm still as attracted as the day I met him. We go to lunch together every day and he is asking me questions like "where do you want to live?" "where do you want to go on vacation", etc, etc. We are a great support system for eachother - we help eachother out with kid issues. Probably twice in 4 months I couldn't go to lunch with him (meeting my dad) and he would get upset and say "bite me". I thought it was cute, but brushed it off.
After one month, we go to a very romantic lunch on the ocean, we sit next to eachother and he is sharing his meal with me, where he tells me that he was proposed to one month ago, but turned it down, asking himself "what the hell am I doing?", locks eyes with me, of course implying to me that I am still the one for him and why would he marry anyone else. He asks if I want to go for a walk along the ocean, and of course I do.
I am still not divorced, ran into some snags financially.
One week later, he asked if I'm divorced, of course I say "no" and he looks visibly shaken. He asks when my divorce date is, and I say I don't have one yet, that there were financial issues. He is very shaken and seems upset for the rest of the day.
For the next 4 - 5 months, we are working together great. We are super emotionally attached. He emails me personal things at all hours of the night. we text constantly. He makes it appear as if he is 100% available. he tells me what he is doing all hours of the day so that I know he is available. Then he takes me out to dinner as a "reward" for giving him a reference. The moment we sit down, he asks if I am still sleeping with my husband. I don't answer specifics, because I am still married, but of course I think the only reason he asks me this is because he wants to know what is on the agenda for the evening. We have a great 3 1/2 hour dinner, but I could feel the energy drain from our relationship as I feel like he made himself available to finally have a relationship together, and I did not. And that he was disappointed. Question: he denies that he meant anything by this question...that I was reading too much into it when I interpretted this to mean that he was interested in a relationship with me. And he says that he can't get close to me anymore, because anytime he does, I read too much into it. But I'm sorry, this does not seem like a casual question!
He takes a job somewhere else and leaves our job together. But then quits that new job and calls me to get a job back together, after one month.
I get him a job back at our company, where he actually is now my boss. (COO)
As soon as he comes back, he becomes verbally abusive towards me. I saw hints of this before and never quite picked up on it. Also caught hints of him tearing apart his ex in the past and brushed it off as one bad relationship.
But he does things like try to force me to fire someone that worked for me, even though she was a valuable contributor. He stops acting like we were a team, and cut me off in meetings and cuts me out of important conversations. Not approving my vacation time even though it was something I had planned far before he came on board and it was to pick up my daughter from camp.
He would be very complimentory of me in public (I think because he knew I was highly respected and therefore he needed it to look like we were a team) and then he would tear me apart in every email I wrote and in private. I started feeling this dr. jekyll mr. hyde thing that I've never felt before and this is how I found this site. I started to see how 2-faced he was, in private yelling at me to fire a "loser" and then 10 minutes later seeing this "loser" in a meeting and acting like this person was his best friend and being super complementary of them. It started to make me wonder if all the complements to me were also false and just a way to gain my adoration. I started to see how he was such a charmer and was the sweetest person to everyone he met, would be super nice to someone he just met 10 minutes ago and share personal information with them and then cut me off and send nasty emails to me.
And as far as I know, I can't think of anything I did to deserve this.
Finally, I start feeling him really emotionally withdraw, he stops sharing personal feelings with me and actually tells me I can't take him out to lunch for his 50 bday. He acts very hot and cold with me and I can't figure out what is going on.
We go to lunch one day and I ask him why he is squeezing me out of his life. He asks "why does it matter?" in a very hateful tone. And he said "oh, is it because of you and me, becuase you want our relationship to be more than what it is" and I say "yes, you know that, and I thought you did too". His very hateful response was that "it is only because of your filter with me, and I don't know how to help you with that". Implying that he never had feelings for me.
The next few weeks were very stressful. Full of conflict, and I am completely confused as to what happened.
One day he leaves his computer up in a meeting and I see he is on chemistry.com. Which is very wierd because he told me he was still in a committed relationship, which he had been in for 1 1/2 years.
I found out: (and keep in mind this is a 50 year old)
- that he was going on 2 - 4 dates/week for months. Many of them during work, and when he told me he didn't have time to meet with me at work. And that almost every girl he went out with he said was "beautiful and intelligent" and blah, blah, blah after only one date.
- he talked to many of them about that same trip to Italy that he asked me to go on after one date.
- he was still having sex with his "girlfriend", but also with some of these new dates.
- he had another very full blown emotional affair with another married woman who he dated in college 30 years ago. She is still completely in love with him and every email from both of them ends in xoxoxxo. (someone else he had told me was a close "friend".) He asked her to go on that same Italy trip that he asked me to go on years ago.
- he has a close girl "friend" that he talked about sex to constantly. She told him she wanted to "do him" and explained the whole thing - sent pictures of herself to him - and he was stringing her along. Going out with her, but cutting it just short of that.
So you can imagine my shock in discovering this. I thought he always thought of me as THE ONE and was waiting for me. It was wrong what I did, but I felt I needed to understand the truth about our relationship. He always acted like an extremely moral person - talking about making the right decisions and right vs. wrong. "I would never want to cause a divorce".
After realizing the truth, I felt like I was on the verge of a heart attach for weeks.
The most hurtful thing of all:
- he was telling some of these chemistry.com dates about me even before they ever went on a date. That I was in love with him and it was making it difficult to work together. Used my name in a tight knit community, sharing our relationship with strangers.
- told his other married high-society lover that I blurted out that I loved him at his 50 bday (which was not true). She backed off and said that she needed to protect her heart if he had a role in it. He said "omg, no role whatsoever. It pains me that you would even think that I would have a role. You may not know me well, but I don't do things like that. I was so impervious to it that I didn't even know about it until she blurted it out at lunch" Which is untrue also because he had known my feelings, as I had known his, for at least 5 years, and probably 22 years! And to top it off, he told her "perhaps it would help if I told you she weighed 40 pounds more than me". Which is also untrue. I am a tad bit (maybe 10 pound overweight), but am still considered good-looking, athletic, etc by others....and what do looks matter - he always told me he loved my intelligence (I was validictorian at my very good university) and our "special bond" as he called it.
I felt that he took our 20+ year very, very close relationship and threw me out for chick bait to get the adoration of others. Wow, if a beautiful, smart, successful woman is in love with him and he is turning her down - he must be a catch!!!
And wow, how could I never know of all of these secret lives.
I flat out asked him if he was dating other people (as he told me that he would let me know as soon as he became available). He flat out lied and denied it, even though I walked in on one of these dates near our work. He said she was just a friend and wanted advise with a divorce, it was an elaborate story. It had no hint of lying in it, although I had evidence and knew it was a lie. And he said "why would I date when I'm in a committed relationship"?
Right when all of this happened, his temporary contract was not renewed at work and I was given his job. I had NO influence on that whatsoever. But his immediate reaction is that I got him fired. First of all, I still loved him with all my heart, and I would never do something like that to him, because despite the verbal abuse and the fact that he was 2-faced, in some twisted way I still thought he was THE ONE. His accusations were angry and unbelievable, and he wouldn't stop verbally abusing me and accusing me! How could he ever think I would do something like that to him. I would do ANYTHING for him. Despite the fact that I've been in love with him while married, I am a good person....
I guess it just hurts so much to see him be so sweet to people who are barely strangers and then see him treat me like this after so many years of closeness.
So my struggle? And I would love input.
- was he really THE ONE and just got tired of waiting for me, and reacted like any man would who was tired of waiting?
- Did he ever have any feelings for me?
- Is it normal for a 50 year old man (who is unbelievably charming, smart, good looking, nice, seemingly empathetic, etc, etc) to have all of these relationships with women, pretty much at the same time?
- why, after knowing all of this, do I still think about him 24 hours a day and still want to spend my life with him. I miss him all the time and just want to be with him. Even though now our relationship is so hot and cold.
- Was he just using me as narcissistic supply all these years? If so, how could he fake intimacy with me? It seemed so real and he told me how connected he felt with me.
We still have moments of sharing personal intimacy, but our relationship is very strained now, and I don't know what to do.
Hello Loveofmylife...
Tue, 04/13/2010 - 20:15 — IntrospectionI've read your story sometime ago and agree that there are a lot of similarities. As you mentioned, I've been more successful then you have in creating that distance between us. It helps that our break-up was 3 years ago and that I continue to "tell" myself repeatedly that "it" does not love me. It also helps to know that "it" needs me more then I need him and this fact is empowering. I understand that when "it" is going out of his way to please me that what "it" seeks is attention from me; I'm the backup plan in case all else fails and knowing this fact really brings me back to reality.
Like you I still love "it" so I am going to get away from "it" so that he is unable to find me anymore. Once "it" is out of my life I should be able to resume without a problem. My heart really goes out to you and wish there was a way I could help. You must be VERY determined that you WANT your "it" out of your life. The longer to hold on to the memories, the longer it'll take you to recover. Do whatever you have to do to break away from your "it."
I know that I'm damaged goods but life by myself is better than life with my "it." When he was in my life, I was always anxious and seeking "its" approval. I don't know about you but I will never be able to forgive him for kicking me to the curve when I was REALLY battling for my life. There was a period following our breakup when I was physically ill and unable to eat, sleep or stop crying. "IT" was out dating!!! Knowing that I will never be able to forgive "it" pretty much seals the deal for me and perhaps why you note in my story that I am at a point where I have successfully distanced myself. I think the reason why I sometimes miss "it" is that like most women, "I am hopelessly romantic." Hey, we women grow up fantasinng about the ONE that will come into our lives to take care of us, love us and treat us like a princess. This is the "fantasy" that the Ns or the "its" as I like to call them, capitalize on.
I will be praying for you that you loose all "HOPE" that he will one day change and you will be able to live with him happily ever after. I was STUBORN about loosing HOPE and trust me, no matter how many times I denied all HOPE, it lived in my heart. I walked my situation to its "logical conclusion." To do this, I pictured him returning to me, begging that I forgive him and accept him back in my life; WOULD YOU FORGIVE YOUR X? I'm hoping your response is HELL NO. If it isn't, keep working on repeading the words out loud as often as possible...HE DOES NOT LOVE ME!!!
Many, many (((HUGS))) sweetheart and keep us posted. I do follow your story and although I may not always reply, you are still in my prayers. Stay strong!
I have posted a copy of this reply under your story so that you won't miss it.
You ain't wrong there!
Mon, 03/22/2010 - 02:35 — bubblesIts been a long time since I visisted here, work, family and commitments etc( trying hard to erase the N from my mind and heart also)
These posts and Barbara's reply has really brought it all home to me BIG time!!
My ex N I know will be back home in the UK in April( see Bubbles story ) I'm feeling very f*cked up atm and what I have just read breaks my heart :o(
Back later.. I need some air
Bubbles xx
Connecting with you
Fri, 03/19/2010 - 17:20 — foolmeonceThe scary thing about Narcs are that they do nice things occassionally. They listen to us and really "get" our feelings. But it's all an act. If you read thru the board - it's incredible to see other people's narcs saying the same things ours did. They have a play book and take lines from it. Actually all they do is parrot our thoughts and feelings back to us. We fall in love with them because they are so special, so caring, they love us like no other. When you compare these relationships to the real ones you had in your life there is no comparison. I think about my marriage to a normal human being. He didn't tell me 24/7 how special I was, brilliant, beautiful - he didn't promise me the world. Then when I met the Narc and he told me these things I thought Wow this is what a relationship is really about - Hell no it's not! It's a fantasy. My husband may have been boring, but he was a real human being. That's what I learned from my experience - don't go looking for the fireworks all the time - it's ok to be in a calm gentle relationship built on honesty and respect.
Fullmeonce
Mon, 03/22/2010 - 15:10 — TexNThat's exactly what i thought! My husband was boring & when i met the narc, i thought i died & went to heaven with all the attention i was getting...I soon realized I was in HELL instead of heaven! Thank God my husband took me back! Not only did he take me back, he's helping me raise the dd i had with the narc! (The loser can't even support her!)...My husband was so happy i came back, he's not boring anymore :)
I agree
Sat, 03/20/2010 - 05:16 — serene69Looking back, the relationship with the N was not real at all, comparing it to the proper ones I have had in the past.
In fact, I was almost alarmed by how over the top my N was with his texts sometimes - "I want to do everything and more with you. Making love to you was so lovely" etc etc.
I had never had this before from a guy. Yes it was flattering but really so over the top.
I agree, my relationship with my husband was more boring - but it was real - and based on honesty and respect. No fireworks, but tender and caring.
Me too, I thought wow, this is what a real relationship is like! But it isn't! I now realise totally what a real one is - that with the N was not - and I will run a mile in the future if I see similar behaviour early on again.
same
Sat, 03/20/2010 - 07:50 — enoughalreadyYes, my husband was and always has been respectful, honest and a deep thinker. Bc he had an emotional affair w/ my gf, I was so depressed and felt unloved. I was already vulnerable and was happy to meet someone who paid attention to me. To make things worse-i had an affair w/ a somatic narcissist. Big mistake.
I have to agree with everything Cynthia wrote to you
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 21:48 — ForeverLearningCynthia put a great deal of time, effort and thought into her response to you. I have to agree with everything she said and I would have written something along the same lines but unfortunately I was running short on time this week to write a detailed response, I am so glad Cynthia was able to write such a great response to you. There isn't much I can add to her response other than to tell you I whole heartedly agree with what she wrote, and that she has the best intentions for everyone that she shares her thoughts with around here.
My 2 cents would also be this: Life is so short. I've had cancer, 1 in 3 people eventually do. You simply have to ask yourself, how much more of your precious life do you want to give to this very confusing man? Would it really be in your best interests, and in the best interests of your inner peace, quiet happiness, and frankly your very sanity, to go through the rest of your life on this roller coaster of unknowns and unpredictability/ uncertainty with him? Is being alone without him, and maybe even without any man, really so much worse, than living in this situation of confusion with him?
Is there really anyone who is "THE ONE" in life for anyone else? Wouldn't that mean they would have to be perfect? And no one is perfect. Maybe there are only "THE GOOD ENOUGH ONE THAT MAKES ME HAPPY MOST OF THE TIME AND HAS A GOOD HEART AND IS HONEST AND MONOGAMOUS AND HAS GOOD INTENTIONS FOR ME AND FOR OTHERS" (that is a very long winded alternate version of "THE ONE", just trying to drive home a point here).
Have you ever made a list of what you wanted in a man? Shouldnt somewhere at the top of the list be "honest" and "kind"? Does this man have these two qualities? I don't think I care how ripped he is, how smart he is, how funny or amazing his charm is, when it's turned on for you. If he is simply not honest, mean to people behind their backs (another form of dishonesty), and had a history of multiple women.......
he won't be changing anytime soon. He is 50 years old and been this way for half a century now.
On the other hand, you could throw a few more years of your life at him and see what happens. Most people don't like that idea - that's because life is precious. And clinging to a non-monogamous man is a recipe for pain for most women.
But if you CAN'T walk away without having these answers proven to yourself...... without actually experiencing the pain, devastation and emotional agony of sinking a little further down, all the way down to rock rock bottom, with this man..... and being close to totally destroyed in the process..... all while seeking the answers to the questions you stated - I truly wish you the best.
Some people have to learn things the hard way, I was one of them. Just know that if you reach that point and are finally willing to walk away from him for good, Barbara's advice of no contact is the true route to healing and the beginning to the next stage of your life - the stage of recovery and a journey to peace and authentic happiness - even if it means being alone, without "The Amazing One" in your life any longer.
Hope this helped, its meant to be thought provoking for you. All of this takes time to come to any realizations about the situation, don't expect answers overnight. But, you must continue reading ALL YOU CAN around here, to gain knowledge of this phenomenon known as Narcissistic Personality Disorder (I am sure your Amazing guy has this personality disorder, by the way). But I am just a stranger on the internet, so you will have to make this judgment call yourself.
Rome wasnt built in a day, were talking about a situation you have lived with for 20 years. So be easy on yourself but congratulations to you for the steps you've taken so far in trying to make sense of it all.
God bless and all the best to you.
Thank you foreverlearning
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 13:49 — cynthiaCan you imagine how these men operate to keep their women
on the hook, they must think like this: Gee suzie hasnt checked in with me for a few days better call to make sure she is still crazy about me, and I havent talked to patty, or carol, or whoever so better call them and tell them what they like to hear, but the pretend GF has been rather bitchy lately so I better lay low and give her some attention for a few days give her some good sex and play perfect husband so she feels loved and all and cathy is getting too emotionally involved with me and demanding way too much of my time so I have to think of some good excuses why I cant see her for awhile, currently I am working on a new supply giving her lots of honeymoon time to secure her trust and love so the old supplies will just have to wait their turn.
This is how they think, you almost have to think like one to understand how they do it, its so sick. All these women think he is the love of their life, except that damn Cynthia she got smart so I dont like her anymore. That is pretty much how they play games with peoples lives
response to forever learning
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 23:24 — loveofmylifethanks so much for all of this insight.
The confusing thing is - and the reason why this is not black/white to me. He usually is incredibly kind. He is a perfect gentleman. When my dad was dying last week, he was texting me every hour to ask how I was doing. When I was driving down to the hospital in the final moments and crying hysterically, he offered to drive 45 minutes to pick me up where I was and then drive me 1 1/2 hours to the hospital. So this is why I am totally confused. He can be so kind, and I keep chalking up the verbal abuse moments to him being tired of me not making myself available.
So what are your thoughts after knowing this?
In terms of honesty, the funny part is that one of the HUGE reasons I was attracted to him was for his honesty and integrity. He comes across as a very morale person and is always talking about virtue and making the right decisions. This is very importnat to him. But now I have first hand information that he has lied ALOT! And lies to every woman ALOT! It makes me question everything now. And he is still very 2-faced. I just don't understand how you can tear people up behind their back and be totally sweet to their face 10 minutes later in a business setting - and when you are the COO!
So yes, honesty is critical to me, and I guess it isn't there - which was a shock to me.
I guess my other secret fear is that is he is so connected to so many women, how could he ever give this up? Could he ever be monogamous? Even when he was living with his fiance, he was flying across country and setting up times to meet with me. And it was always romantic dinners out. Of course, 80% of the time, we would schedule a nice, romantic meal and he would cancel it for whatever reason - which drove me nuts....eventually it would get rescheduled. But he constantly jerked me around and canceled things on me.
thoughts?
monogamous
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 08:19 — Barbaramonogamous?
you're kidding right?
they are INCAPABLE:
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/11/other-woman-now-hes-happy-her
they loving withholding something they know you want - sex, a romantic dinner, doing a chore they swore they'd do. They get off on your pain and disappointment. They ENJOY it.
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The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein
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Tue, 03/09/2010 - 12:50 — cynthiaWere you attracted to your husband in the same way you were this predator? I suspect not, I am still married but I find it very very difficult to find any physical attraction to my husband after being with such an absolutely attractive man, and I know that sounds shallow but there is a certain element on physical attraction that woos and entices, I suppose If my husband treated me better he would appear more attractive to me, trouble is my sociopath was soooooo good looking but a horrible, rotten person who was disordered. I am still married too, and not at all happy in the marriage I think the experience at least gave me the lesson that I dont have to settle for anyone that is abusive to me in any way, shape or form good looking or not.
If you ask me I think these sociopaths are nothing but rapists, and they rape women in a way where the law cant come after them. THey pretend to be the man of our dreams, offer us so many hopes and promises of a future together, we fall in love, we get intimate not ever realizing our love was never returned, and that is nothing but emotional rape. Here they are 50 something years old doing this to women, if they want to play the field than dont play with peoples lives in such a dangerous manner. THey set it up, they WANT us to fall in love with them then they dump us to the curb and play dangerous, psychological games with good decent trusting, giving nurturing women who didnt deserve such betrayal, they throw their partners away like garbage and we are anything but.
I suppose they get a great deal of satisfaction with all the women who want them, that is their disorder they can pick out a different sex partner anytime they want depending on who they feel like, many I am sure have their one night stands but its is the victims that go after who give them the admiration and attention they crave and they keep them on the hook and play with their lives and in the end they offer them NOTHING but years of torture, lies, and deep deep betrayal that takes a long time to recover from. THey are dangerous and nothing but predators and those are people I never want to go near again, it almost totally destroyed me.
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Tue, 03/09/2010 - 20:05 — loveofmylifeNo - I was absolutely not attracted to my husband in that way. My husband is definitely better than average looking and I was attracted to him because he was very mature and responsible and we had alot on common.
The loveofmylife absolutely swept me off my feet - everything - stunning looks and the instant bond we had. I felt like he knew me better and understood me more than anyone I had ever known - and wow- he was also the greatest catch ever! He was, or I thought he was, my soulmate. The loveofmylife is 50 and still has a carved/ ripped up chest and beautiful skin and is my business mentor on top of that - I trust all of his advise since he is ultra-intelligent.
Problem is, even though theloveofmylife has been abusive to me verbally and emotionally, he can also be the kindest person in the world, so I tend to forget all of the bad stuff until it comes back again.
You hit the nail on the head. We fall in love, we get intimate - they act like they are intimate and say all of the intimate things - but they don't truly bond. Therefore, they can pullout and not think about us again or have an ounce of remorse from what I can tell.
And I keep wondering - with all of the single women out there - why is he bonding so strongly to married women? Except that me and the other married lover are in a different class (sorry if that sounds ego-centric) than the other ones he dates. He tends to date / have sex with women way, way below his level in terms of education, success, values, everything else.
And yes, they WANT us to fall in love with him. In his email to the other married woman, there is no reason he would have said the things about me to her unless he wanted to create jealousy and the feeling that "wow he is in demand" and to strengthen her attachment to him. And this other married women also does seem extremely good, decent, trusting and giving and also doesn't deserve to have her marriage ruined because I'm sure she, like me, just couldn't love her husband anymore.
God, everything you say is right-on... keeping victims on the hook for years to get the attention, with nothing but YEARS of torture, lies, deep betrayal. The other poor married woman in the email said that her love had been unrequitted now for 32 years, that she thinks of him constantly, she yearns for his voice.....blah, blah, blah. It is sad, because I'm sure it has messed up her marriage also.
answers
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 18:40 — cynthia- Did he ever have any feelings for me?
NO NEVER, ALL FAKED
- Is it normal for a 50 year old man (who is unbelievably charming, smart, good looking, nice, seemingly empathetic, etc, etc) to have all of these relationships with women, pretty much at the same time?
YES YES YES 100% YES
- why, after knowing all of this, do I still think about him 24 hours a day and still want to spend my life with him. I miss him all the time and just want to be with him. Even though now our relationship is so hot and cold.
You think about him so much because you are thinking of the love of your life he appeared to you as, and trust me you DO NOT want to spend your life with a PREDATOR because that is what he REALLY is.
- Was he just using me as narcissistic supply all these years?
YES YES YES, love is narcissistic supply to them, NOT NORMAL LOVE
If so, how could he fake intimacy with me? It seemed so real and he told me how connected he felt with me.
YES he faked all the intimacy, as well as mine did, I thought he was loving me and it was really nothing but RAPE, I heard that BS also how we just connected so well, he tells that to all his victims, they dont bond with anyone, we are the only ones that bonded to them, this is the nature of their pathology, they make everyone women feel special but you were no more special than the rest he put an act on for, ya we were special alright, SPECIAL VICTIMS
response to Cynthia
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 22:30 — loveofmylifeWow - I'm glad this site exists. It has been so confusing to me for so many years. So many mixed messages from him. But whenever our eyes lock, and we talk, and we connect so strongly, it just felt so real, and like I was the only one for him. Especially when he was upset whenever something about my husband came up.
So Cynthia - about your response....
Is it normal for a 50 year old man (who is unbelievably charming, smart, good looking, nice, seemingly empathetic, etc, etc) to have all of these relationships with women, pretty much at the same time?
YES YES YES 100% YES
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Do you really think this is normal for a mentally healthy male? Or just normal practice for a narcissist/ sexual addict male? I cannot for the life of me imagine having 6 relationships all at the same time with 6 different men who all think they are the only one and who all think they are "The One". I can't even imagine it. But maybe men are different? I was justifying it as "well, of course, he has this many relationships. If I had 6 smart, gorgeous men throwing themselves down at my feet to have me, I would probably also find it difficult to choose just one." So I kind of justified it by actually feeling sorry for him for the decisions he has to make!
And I totally agree with your point. After my email incident, I realized that there are MANY women who think he is THE ONE. Because he is so gorgeous, smart, successful, able to connect with women, gorgeous body, funny, self effacing....he is every women's dream. He has even hooked married billionaire women into his harem.
I sometimes find it hard not to notify the other women of what is going on, because I don't want it to ruin their marriages (if it hasn't already), like it has mine.
not human
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 00:16 — Barbarahe's not even a male
he's NOT HUMAN...
NOT HUMAN
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THE LOVE OF OUR LIVES
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 18:29 — cynthiaYour story was so similar to mine in respect to the duration, years and years of such a battle with your heart. I never officially posted my story one of these days I need to. I met mine when we were 5 years old, we are adopted cousins, we played together as small children, he was an adorable boy (and no we never played "doctor") his father and my mother were fist cousins but since we are both adopted we are not blood related. We met up later at 27 years old and were instantly attracted to each other, but he had a girlfriend, of 9 years these men always have a steady girlfriend and OW they pursue on the side. He did back then as he does now at the age of 54. We parted again, I married a man we had two children together and my marriage has been a verbally abusive one to say the least. Name calling, control issues, always insulting me, I tolerated this for 20 some years, but wait ... 20 years later. the love of my life reapeared in my life when my mother died professing how much I was the woman he was sorry he let get away, and what a great life we could have together with all we had in common and he wasnt very satisfied with his current Girlfriend, and of course I was not happy in my marriage either. We became involved and he was the best thing that ever came into my life; extremely good looking, smart, fun, extremely wealthy, gentle, well spoken, said he had never forgotten me and wished we would have married years back. He has NEVER married to this day. I have NEVER NEVER been unfaithful to my husband but it took a psychopath to change all that in a flash, who was I to doubt a man who knew me from a little girl, knew my family, this was not some stranger I met at a bar.
I often wondered why he never married of course he told me he had not found the right one and maybe we were always meant to be together. (you can puke later) If you know anything about sociopaths and psychopaths you must know they wear masks to disguise who they REALLY are, they con, act, swindle, betray, lie, deceive, have porn and sexual addiction issues, they all cheat, they all abuse and they all use others as objects to serve their agenda. Most important ALL of them of incapable of true genuine love for another, love equates need to them or compliance, their game is control. To make a long story short after he secured my trust, my deep love, he slowly tried brainwashing me into sick, sexual acts and group sexual encounters with others, (none of which I did) this is what mine offered me in the end, wanted to watch other men have sex with me, or us, women, men didnt make much difference to him.
They all have some woman they are either engaged to, living with, some married, they seem to all have a public woman for others to view but they all have secret lives and other women they are constantly pursuing for affairs, promising the world and destroying them in the end while at the same time also using and abusing the so called women they are engaged to or living with. If you stop to really think about this man he wanted to appear as the love of your life, but this was all an act, and trust me both of ours have a whole host of women wanting them because they project the same image to them as they did us, but again they are method actors, I am sure yours has been the love of many womens lives as well as mine has been. He was NOT your soul mate, he is a soul destroyer and he did nothing to me but change me into an empty shell of a person.
I hope through your journey of healing and educating yourself about their deformity you will come to the same vision of light I finally reached, there is never anyone that can ever truly save us, oh I know you hear of how people find the love of their lives and yes this can happen but NOT with a personality disordered individual, it will happen with a man that is mentally healthy, and does not suffer from what I call a from of mental illness. I too wanted to spend my life with him, I would have turned myself inside out for him but it wouldnt have been enough to satisfy him, NOBODY completely satisfies them, and nobody is special enough for them. We are SPECIAL and we did NOTHING to deserve to become a victim of such destruction. Feel sorry for whoever is with him for they are also victims. My marriage was bad before he entered my life but he was NEVER the answer, You will find YOU are the answer to the dreams you want in life, It is said there are NEVER happy endings with these people and I stuck around too long to find out how true that was. I am sorry you have endured so many years of such pain but YOU are the only one that can change that for a better life you most certainly deserve, you are better than that and they will never have anything to offer us.
NOT-THE ONE!
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 15:35 — racheSorry to break it to you,but,its the same old song and dance routine of the ~MALIGNANT NARCISSIST~.YOU were USED ,and,it appears he is a SEXUAL NARC.....meaning he will always be on the prowl for fresh meat.A predator.Even with a limp d..k these DIRTY MINDED OLD MEN want and think they can get YOUNG gals.Sick,demented,nasty,perverts.
welcome loveofmylife
Mon, 03/08/2010 - 17:44 — Barbaraget into therapy with a TRAUMA COUNSELOR IMMEDIATELY - call a DV Center if you need to get an advocate ASAP to get this man completely out of your life - NOW.
You need to come to grips with the fact that this person is a CON ARTIST and has used you & lied to you for many years. This is a long term trauma and you will need help to get over the PTSD.
- PLEASE go through ALL the pages on 'Message Board' as I have loaded it with articles and your questions have probably already been asked and answered many many times. Click through the pages and read what interests you. You'll get up to speed and learn a LOT.
- PLEASE read the stories of others on SHARE YOUR STORY. This alone is one of the most validating things you can do! Far too many become completely wrapped up in their own drama... which just makes it all worse. It will also help you see the pattern of their INCURABLE PATHOLOGY. Your story is very very common.
- PLEASE read through our WHOLE blog: http://www.lisaescott.com/blog - chock full of articles about Ns and healing
Please read all the Rules prior to posting, as well
- listen to our free radio show - archived at:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/allabouthim
Remember this board is NEVER to be used as a replacement for therapy. Please find a therapist and start going as SOON as possible for whatever level of PTSD he's left you with!!
BLOCK HIS EMAILS, IMs and TEXTS
change your phone & cell numbers
don't ALLOW him to contact you again... not pray for it! DO NOT ALLOW IT!
NO CONTACT!
I am sorry if this isn't what you want to hear but you deserve the truth - for once.
Healing takes a MINIMUM of 18 months (with TOTAL NC) and you will need support & help from a professional. Please get it ASAP. Do not date before 18 months has passed!
KEEP THIS SOUL SUCKING, NON HUMAN PREDATOR OUT OF YOUR LIFE.
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What are the main clues
Wed, 03/17/2010 - 23:44 — loveofmylifeBarbara or anyone else.
What are the main things you see in my story that make you believe that mine is a N? I struggle with this constantly since he either a) is such a great and empathetic guy or 2) he just has an incredibly perfected mask! He is soooo charming!
here's why
Thu, 03/18/2010 - 07:30 — BarbaraHave you read Lisa's Book???? if not do so!!
Here's why:
instantly attracted to him... like a ton of bricks... smart, masters from an ivy league school, athletic, the most gorgeous person I'd ever seen, very happy, funny... INSTANTLY bonded... understood me like no one... He flattered me publically and privately constantly... I had never felt connected to anyone like him. He was my soulmate.
He was NOT your soulmate - this is trance induction, hypnosis, seductive brainwash, profiling and hormonal bonding... this is not a slow-steady bond... this is a pathological's usually HIT & RUN and you weren't the first nor will you be the last.
we have incredible chemistry, and a special bond based on comfort and trust... I figure he must think that I'm the one, just like I figured he was THE one
That's what he wanted you to think - he felt/ feels NOTHING.
he speaks vicously about his "ex"
HUGE RED FLAG
we have intense emotional connectedness in our emails
oh how easy emails are!
We share all of our innermost thoughts
he has no 'innermost thoughts' - he was PROFILING YOU
although I know he is seeing someone else. But I thought we were meant to be together. Although I had told him he was THE ONE...he had been more elusive about it and said he thought I was the finest person that he had ever met but he was finding it hard to think about me "that way" since I was married. But still I"ve never been so attached to someone, and it is addictive
MASSIVE RED FLAG - he's got you in his thrall.
why would he convince me to work with him unless he felt the same way about me, since he knows I am in love with him and think of him as THE ONE? Unless he just loved the adoration I gave him
Yup... and a chance to manipulate & hurt you up close and personal. The pathological's nirvana!! A willing victim!!
he tells me that he was proposed to one month ago, but turned it down, asking himself "what the hell am I doing?", locks eyes with me, of course implying to me that I am still the one for him and why would he marry anyone else
Can you say FULL OF SHIT??? What movie did he get this little scenario from? He's playing you big time.
I could feel the energy drain from our relationship as I feel like he made himself available to finally have a relationship together, and I did not. And that he was disappointed. Question: he denies that he meant anything by this question...that I was reading too much into it when I interpreted this to mean that he was interested in a relationship with me. And he says that he can't get close to me anymore, because anytime he does, I read too much into it. But I'm sorry, this does not seem like a casual question!
Liar, guilt-tripping, blame shifting, casual cruelty, confusion technique... this predator's a PRO
then he would tear me apart in every email I wrote and in private. I started feeling this dr. jekyll mr. hyde thing that I've never felt before and this is how I found this site. I started to see how 2-faced he was, in private yelling at me to fire a "loser" and then 10 minutes later seeing this "loser" in a meeting and acting like this person was his best friend and being super complementary of them. It started to make me wonder if all the complements to me were also false and just a way to gain my adoration
Knock Knock? Pretend guy? GONE - REAL GUY!! here he is!!
I can't think of anything I did to deserve this
Except believe his b.s.
Finally, I start feeling him really emotionally withdraw, he stops sharing personal feelings with me and actually tells me I can't take him out to lunch for his 50 bday. He acts very hot and cold with me and I can't figure out what is going on
What emotions? he has none. IT'S ALL AN ACT!!
One day he leaves his computer up in a meeting and I see he is on chemistry.com. Which is very wierd because he told me he was still in a committed relationship, which he had been in for 1 1/2 years
BINGO!! Hand -- forehead -- staple!
I found out: (and keep in mind this is a 50 year old)
- that he was going on 2 - 4 dates/week for months. Many of them during work, and when he told me he didn't have time to meet with me at work. And that almost every girl he went out with he said was "beautiful and intelligent" and blah, blah, blah after only one date.
TROLLING!!!
- he talked to many of them about that same trip to Italy that he asked me to go on after one date
Part of his 'story' and M.O. He's been doing this for YEARS and you are just one of many...
- he was still having sex with his "girlfriend", but also with some of these new dates.
Every woman is a sex toy to him. EVERY woman.
- he had another very full blown emotional affair with another married woman who he dated in college 30 years ago. She is still completely in love with him and every email from both of them ends in xoxoxxo. (someone else he had told me was a close "friend".) He asked her to go on that same Italy trip that he asked me to go on years ago.
Ah another victim... isn't he SPECIAL? NOT!!!
- he has a close girl "friend" that he talked about sex to constantly. She told him she wanted to "do him" and explained the whole thing - sent pictures of herself to him - and he was stringing her along. Going out with her, but cutting it just short of that.
Likes toying with women's head and emotions...
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/exc2_seduction.htm
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/nlp_embedded_commands.htm
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/nlp_time_distortion.htm
http://www.deeptrancenow.com/hypnotic_confusion.html
http://www.cultcontrol.com/?hop=20754
http://www.dating-advice-coach.info/SeductionTechniques.htm
http://www.coverthypnosisguide.com/nlp-mind-control.php
http://www.nlpandhypnosis.com
A GREAT GRAPHIC THAT EXPLAINS HOW NLP WORKS:
http://www.nlpmind.com/images/ss.gif
NARC!!!!!!!! RUN SCREAMING!!! NO CONTACT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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This Is Why I Love Barbara
Thu, 03/18/2010 - 16:17 — ForeverLearning"Love of my life" -
You are so very fortunate that Barbara has it in her heart to take the time and effort to break this all down, piece by piece, for you.
Think about it. Barbara has given you MORE than this NARCISSIST PLAYER ever did. Barbara gave you an honest assessment of your situation with him, asking NOTHING in return.
The Narcissist has never given you an honest assessment of your situation with him! He is coy and ambiguous, which is bullshit. And he uses you to advance his own business purposes (his own financial gain, achievement and advancement).
There is a bible story that exemplifies what Barbara is doing for you. She is being a GOOD SAMARITAN, helping a TOTAL STRANGER ( YOU ) she found wounded and bleeding on the side of the road (the internet in this case), for no reason other than it is the right thing to do.
The only bible story your Narc reminds me of is either Serpent in the Garden of Eden, or Cain killing his brother Abel. It's a toss up.
Barbara is not a two-faced back stabber, nor a player of women's minds / head games, like your Narc has PROVEN HIMSELF TO BE, keep that in mind too.
Thank you Barbara for all you do to help people, unselfishly, and with the best of intentions. Turning your pain into other peoples gain. God bless you Barbara.
She's the Bomb
Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:08 — wallabyBarabara, that is!
wow... I don't know what to say!
Thu, 03/18/2010 - 19:07 — Barbarawow... I am blushing big time...
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Thank you Barbara!!!!!
Thu, 03/18/2010 - 19:28 — loveofmylifeThanks so much for your help with this. I have never been so confused about anything in my life and i am a very logical person!
you're welcome
Thu, 03/18/2010 - 19:32 — Barbarasame here...
I still kick myself about how Psycho-Boy played me... a TEENY part of me knew something wasn't right but I felt like a helpless puppet. It confused me for a LOOOONG time. My NarcMother confused me for most of my life. Once I got it - I GOT IT!
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LOveofmylife
Fri, 03/19/2010 - 14:14 — wallabyI also wrote comments to you under my story (Wallaby's story) last night - about your guy. You may want to check there if you haven't. Your biggest confusion is the self-effacing thing he does (and feigned empathy - if he really cared he wouldn't parade gf in front of you to make you jealous etc, act like a despot when he's in charge etc.)- but the humble thing DOES NOT RULE OUT NARC at all. I knew one who was compulsively like that too and a flaming N (not my current N who is arrogant as they come). The cruelty with mr "Shucks I'm not so great" came out over time, the more sure he was he had me in his thrall.
humility
Fri, 03/19/2010 - 15:46 — Barbaraoh yeah... FAR TOO MANY people get confused if they're a Narc when they don't act like an egomaniac... 'I'm just a humble man' and self-effacing...
LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THEM THIS IS ALL AN ACT TO KEEP YOU REELED IN!!!!!
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Mine always said,
Sun, 03/21/2010 - 01:52 — rache"i'm just a poor ol'country boy'(he's almost 67),and,made his living screwing over/murdering some of his exes.........