Lisa E. Scott

Wallaby's Story

Wallaby's Story

Thinking back I realize the man I was married to for 10 years and have two children with (ages 12 and 9) is a N. But he flies below the obvious N radar and is more infuriating than malevolent. However I think now my eyes have been opened I am seeing him too in a different light. The story that brings me to this site and has been so excruciating for me emotionally has been with a N I met about 2.5 years ago.

I am a writer and I also work part time in another job that requires I put on a lot of events with "high profile" people. I saw the N speak at an premiere and I approached him about being a speaker at one of my events. I was immediately attracted to him (he's good looking and has amazing voice and great speaker), and was surprised at how open he was to me - writing his info down on a torn pieces of paper for me. I noticed he was with an attractive woman that night but did not know if he was married or what. Cut to a year later and I made contact with his offices and he agreed to do an event for me pro bono. He is a famous writer as well as a guest speaker. Background: I am early 40's - he is mid-50's. While he has a house near where I live, he does not live there - he was at the time (and still) living back east with his family for work reasons. He is expecting to move back here full time in the next couple years.... arrgh

That evening was magical and he asked that I sit next to him at dinner. He came to the event with his wife and teenage son (wife was not other woman I had seen). Still he became engrossed with me at dinner -telling me the "secrets" of great writing. I was spell bound and he talked about how writing poetry requires the writer to put the reader in a trance so you can slip inside them. I felt like we were obviously connecting and I felt awkward as his wife was there. She meanwhile just left the table, and milled with the guests, and seemed to have no concern for his behavior. He recited for me some poetry he was working on, and asked me if I would like him to read and give feedback on some of mine. I was stunned he would do that given his position as a writer relative to mine. He asked me to write my info on a paper and told me he was going to send me a textbook he had written to help me out. At one point after I disengaged and was talking with another group I noticed him just staring at me for a long time. I realize now it was the "reptilian gaze". Everyone wanted his attention and he had given it to me

I was walking on a cloud, not so much for romantic reasons, as I knew he was married, but to have connected and gotten great advice from such a well known and terrific writer. I thought that was going to be pretty much it with him. I was shocked when at 11pm the following night he called and said he couldn't read my address could I give it to him again so he could send me his book (a ruse I'm sure) - and we talked for over an hour. Again about writing.

This may sound naive- but I was really thinking it was not a romantic thing although my heart was aflutter, but that I was lucky enough to have him enjoy talking with me. This started a long distance phone relationship where he would read me poetry he was working on and recite his poems to me. I was falling in love but didn't want to admit it. He sent me a book of love poetry he had translated from another language with the inscription "to X, at the pleasure of meeting her, X" . Over the next months he sent me a number of books he had written all signed (now I see this as SO typically N self-centered!). I sent him some of my poetry which he gave me painful but good feedback on (that brutally honest thing they do).

After months of this one night he asked me what I was wearing - was i naked? ....and well you can see where this is going... This all after he had confided in me in prior conversations that he and his wife would be separating and he was so "lonely" in the marriage -they lived two separate lives. She would stay back East, and when his job ended he would be back living near me. While I had reservations I did go down the road of sex talk with him that night - and looking back I see it was really typically N- him dominating me and talking about his body - how he would look in my eyes and control me etc.

AFter a few sessions of this (and my sending pictures which I regret now) - and one time where I refused to talk that way as i felt uncomfortable - he told me he realized he didn't want to have an affair - he would feel too guilty and tie himself in knots or I might leave him as I could not take his not being available (and he was traveling non-stop then) -there was no good outcome (ironically all true). And that our verbal sex was "our secret". I felt my first punch in the gut. He then avoided my calls etc, seeming irritated if i bothered him. Not wanting him mad at me, I didn't pursue him. I also started to doubt what he said about being separated, but found it increasingly difficult to have any conversations with him on this topic. (Fast forward - he always gets very bent out of shape and angry if he sense I "need" something from him in any way).

Oddly, his wife (of 30 years who wants now to be a nun) has been eager for us (me and N) to get together - she really wants little to do with him and the few times I have been around her she has actively encouraged our getting together (I think she wants him off her hands!). I don't know if they will be separating (or are separated) or not - and frankly I am trying not to think about it as I realize he is a N and I don't want him anyway! I know why she could want him off her hands. Looking objectively, he is haughty as hell, so self-centered, smug and pleased with his own brilliance and accomplishments (this guy has done amazing stuff and recently got national attention and thanks from the president...yuch), all he talks about is himself or his brilliant theories on things like the economy, politics, womens' sexual needs, popular culture etc. While he is entertaining, funny and smart as hell anyone around him must be audience for him and he is insensitive to other people as all get out. He picks up sycophants (like I was) all the time, and they are thrilled to be even contacted by him.

I was reeled in- overcome by his attentions (many hours on the phone and on our quasi-dates) talent, his position, his NLP. I stayed hooked to him as he kept called and sending me things in the mail - and I even flew across country to see him - all the while this sexual charge between us but I didn't want to "go there" as I feared losing him. He says that he sexual chemistry we have is the "destabilizing element" of our good friendship. It became a total emotional affair. I met up with him in another city once and we spent an evening (with others) at a beach house - but nothing has ever happened between us. It had driven me crazy - the sexual longing. And it still does if I let it. I try to not fantasize and think of the reality - which is he probably has ED or robotic N sex style from what I've read here. While better now than it has been, I feel like he totally took over my mind and my being -even my dreams at night for about 2 years. For about two years the longest we went without some contact between us was three days. But we have NEVER had sex or even kissed

When he was/is in town he would always/does always take me out to dinner and once to the opera. We go to his beautiful house and he plays me operas he's written, we take walks, go to the grocery story together etc. But aways just a peck on the cheek goodbye. Yet during dinner he always brings sex up in the most graphic way -i.e. graphic sex jokes, talking about what he thinks women want etc. He reads me poetry he is working on etc. He comes out for a week at a time and over the last year I have worked on blocking myself from his effect on me. I run after dinner so he doesn't think I want anything from him, and also, I would not feel good about having sexual rel's with a man who is still married. I also know he is not good for me. After our last dinner about three months ago he said after I pecked him on cheek and fled the car, "Why do you always run so I can't kiss you?" Last time he was here I actually said no to dinner with him as I felt like I just didn't have the energy to deal with him (this is a good sign, no?). I also don't make contact with him (let him contact me) and don't call him back right away when he does call. Some times I don't return his call at all.

What I am realizing now though is that my distance has only whet his appetite for me- I learned that from here. Anytime I show distance he gets anxious/turned on and amps up his efforts to get me to see him. And yet, even when hounding me with phone calls and emails (and calling my mother if I don't get back to him soon) he acts as if we are simply "good friends". Well god help me if his is how all my friends make me feel!

While I feel stronger (it has taken a lot of therapy to work on the extreme anxiety states instilled in me from this relationship), I do fear that if he does try to make it physical (i.e. kisses me after one of our dinners) I would succumb as I have felt so much unrequited sexual longing for him. I think his wife will stay back East (and or go into a celibate religious life)and he will move here in 2011. And I know how charming/seductive he can be when he wants something. Given what I have learned here I think he may try to convert me to his whore - especially as I have begun pushing him away - I think it makes me all the more sexy to him. I have not gone total NC with him as I have not felt so upset in the last 6 months as I have realized what he is about and have worked on it hard in therapy (and I have two N alcoholic parents).

I think if I had gone farther with him sexually it would have been a disaster and I would have been even more damaged and preoccupied than I have been (I have hit such lows of self-esteem and anxiety, feeling badly about myself and longing, just longing for any contact from him, imagining what it would be like when he lives here and he leaves his wife etc - ended up on meds for a while). I also like it when I am in the position of power and he is chasing me - it feels like a turning of the tables that is such a relief. But I know this feeling can go to hell in a handbasket at any moment - playing with fire - as he has the uncanny ability to always "win" at that game. The other reason for not going NC is that it realistically it has helped my career and my writing to know him. He has made contacts for me (with minimal effort and benefit to him, and MUCH appreciation and flattery on my part) that have helped me.

I'm in a sort of limbo -way better than where I have been, but unsure of what's next and if I should go total NC to avoid future pain - but torn, as I would feel huge emotional loss even if I actually sort of hate the guy! My story is not nearly as awful as many I have read here -and he is not a psychopath (although loves horror movies, talking about violent and death, and writes brutal godawful things sometimes which scare the hell out of me, and is into domination/power of all kinds). But he's a selfish jerk - I mean after all the time/energy we've spent I doubt he knows my kids names (and he's met them a few times).

Anyway, that's a condensed version of my odd but not too god-awfl (but has felt really bad) story! Eager for any thoughts or to hear any similarities you all have!

Wallaby

You are messing with fire! Do not sleep with him! Look how much mental control he has over you (thank God he doesn't know!). Can you imagine if you were intimate with him??? Oh my gosh, it would probably send you over the deep end! Thats if he doesn't have ED like alot of these men the ladies talk about here. Unfortunately for me, my narc did not have ED. I think i would enjoy knowing that he couldn't keep it up! Actually, now i know why i jokingly called him my porn star- now i know, he watched so much of it! Even though he was good in bed, he might as well had ED...he'd rather masturbate than to be intimate. They are soo twisted on so many levels! If your narc was as good as he talks about, he would have been more presistent to show you his moves. There is no normal man out there that would pass up the chance of being intimate with someone or seducing someone if they were that sure of themselves. Nope, my bet is your headin over the hill narc can't keep it up!!! Besides, teasing is more fun & safe for him!!! Lol!

TexN

Yes I think you are right about the ED. In the time I have been on this board and wrote My Story (over a month ago now) I have NO DESIRE anymore - which is such a release! I see him as pathetic not sexy at all now.

I actually had a dream the other night where I was sitting at the table with two guys, one my N and another guy. This other guy is a guy I know from around here - total psycopath loser - named Ed. I was thinking - interesting, why would my dream have Ed in it? I knew he probably stood for my N (who had just left the table in the dream - leaving early as he always does to keep me unrequited and "longing" after him) and I realized I chose him for his name ED. I LMAO and realized then FOR SURE my N has ED. I think we unconsciously know things we don't consciously realize! I had a ton of dreams about snakes the whole time with N. Finally, in one dream where this snake kept striking at me - cut the snakes head off and got it caught in a jar - the head still alive and trying to strike from trapped inside the jar- lol. And that is EXACTLY what happened to my poor N once I figured him out!!! He's still trying to strike at me from inside that jar - with NO SUCCESS!!! Yay!

Thanks so much for your thoughts - I totally agree with them - you are dead on!

our stories are similar

Just had a chance to read yours. wow. Ots of similarities!

yes, being lured in by an extremely charming, intelligent person who constantly compliments us and makes us feel like their soulmate. Except you know there are 10 other women who feel the same way. And 10 other women he could call tonight and they would be thrilled to stop by for some sex. In fact 10 other women ("catches" too) that are begging for sex! And my N actually does turn them down in the name of integrity (email evidence!)

ONly difference, I'm the married one and he is not, yours is the opposite. I keep telling myself that is the only reason our relationship hasn't progressed - because he has morals when it has to do with married women, at least.

The same stuff - I feel totally obsessed with him. His voice, the way he knows how to talk to me and "fill in the gaps" like no one else. No one in my life has come close to the ying/yang thing I have with him. And I keep thinking "he has to feel the same way!". Even a christian counselor once told me - there is no way you could feel about him the way you do if he doesn't feel the same about you.

Funny thing is, when I had the email incident, the other married billionaire emotional lover that he has said "sorry for this email, I was in an emotional wave, I am obsessing about you, like I do 24 hours/day. And I yearn for and seek your voice..." of which he responded xoxoxoxo pls come and see me, i promise i will be safe.

The sad part is, i was mostly upset because I've never gotten xoxooxo in an email!

So while I was writing this letter at 7:30pm he called. Since tuesday is his night without kids, he was in his car, so I'm sure he was calling me on his way back from a date. Which always makes me sick. He wanted to know how my day was, and how he can help. He is ALWAYS super helpful in helping me figure out complex business issues. I asked how his job hunt was going, we talked about that for awhile. Hopefully I helped with that He noticed I was coughing and said "pls don't get sick like you did last year at this time! Pls see a doctor! Im' concerned about you" I felt all connected again. We talked for 45 minutes; it seems so REAL to me.

So why do I feel like I just want to walk in front of a train!!

Ughhhhhh!!!!!!

Loveofmylife

Sorry I just read this -I haven't checked here recently. I totally know how you feel about he xxxoxxoo thing. I would to this day feel the same way with mine if I saw that! ANd I am sure he has and has had many sex talks etc with others

You know I think yours WAS using your marriage, like mine uses his, to do all the talk about "yes we re soulmates and when are you going to be free etc" - if you had been single it would not have occurred. They thrill on the hunt - could he actually get you away from your husband. But I doubt he would follow-through - Look at how he behaves - like mine - keeping all these women lathered up. He's addicted to it. Over your rel with him internet dating has taken off (wasn't even a possibility 20 years ago) so he's in hog heaven now.

Yeah mine is big name and a literary giant in many ways - he also helps(ed) me with my writing and I kept saying - well even if this feels bad as I am so obsessed with him - at least I got all this knowledge and connections through him. But truthfully it is just not worth it.

With yours you may feel close in the moment (and I have very much felt this many times - when he said he would be leaving his wife and coming to move out here and insinuated we could be together) I really believed for a long time I was a "special" and he was the love of my life. But he's not. I had to break away from indulging in those moments of closeness when he called and wanted to chat as it is just destructive.

I know the feeling of wanting to walk in front of the train - recognizing it is bad but feeling compelled to do it anyhow - but it has gotten less and less - and am not total NC as I need him to sign a contract and he can;t have a fit or I lose a lot of money - but even the last three weeks I have recognized (work issues allowing) that this is where I want to go.

It has been great for me to connect with you on this -as our guys are similar and they are high functioning, charismatic and not running from the law!

if you ever want to chat offline via email or on the phone - happy to do that!

Oh and he does do the sympathy

thing when necessary and appropriate - I had surgery last year and he was full of calls and concern etc. Probably as he didn't want to lose a tried and true N Supply dealer - pain in the but to find a new one.

welcome wallaby

Get into therapy with a TRAUMA COUNSELOR IMMEDIATELY - this guy's your classic Predator. Sounds like Psycho-Boy. Typical. Uses and abuses women with seductive hypnosis and mind control -- and thinks nothing of destroying you. You would have to read my story. You need someone who can treat the PTSD he's given you asap:
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Barbara

i know you've posted this, but I am not well able to navigate this site yet - where is your story posted? I've read bits and pieces about PsychoBoy but not all at once.

wallaby - my story

http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/07/22/barbaras-story
PLEASE take time and read the whole thing - you will find it VERY VALIDATING!

and also my blog about him & pathologicals:
http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com

our stories are very similar in that in the second (27 years later) go round with Psycho-Boy it was all verbal and emotional and he kept it that way... drove me crazy with longing.(and after over 20 years with exNH the ICE MAN, it made it a LOT worse!) I can assure you his performance sexually now is probably horrible. Psycho-Boy blamed his dependence on Viagra on his wife. And he's never owned all the "vacations into depravity" he's taken with high price escorts.

Psycho-Boy's a big deal political blogger now and just basking in being the next Rush or Glenn Beck as well as kudos from Jewish organization for all his pro-Israel work.

Believe me, what I miss most was the 'connection' and 'friendship' I thought we had. All I was was a THING, standby 'p*ssy'... in the end he couldn't deal with disability, my weight gain and took the 5th grade bully way out after being caught and exposed of blaming it all on me and portraying me as an obsessed, love-sick, jealousy bunny boiler...

You can read more at my site about him and pathologicals in general: http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com

If this guy saw something in you worth "taking" wallaby - then believe me - you are worth a LOT better than him!

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Wallaby

I would go NC, it sounds like he is a real cassanova and really you don't know if you are the only one that he is chasing. For his wife to be so disinterested and eager to get rid of him, I feel that he has done this many times before and I don't know many wives that go that cold without having already been hurt very badly. You posted some great advice to me, it has helped me so much, remember the sexual longing you have for him, that is a red flag in itself. Sounds like he is a master of seduction and I would hate to see you get hurt or once you finally give yourself to him, he just discards you. Remember the chase with these guys, they like that and as Barbara said they like fresh new experiences, once you have sex with him for a few months, he may start on another. I like intellectual men too and I got seduced by one many years ago, it didn't turn out very well, he had a lot of money, designer suits, he was fantastic, I felt like he had the most brilliant mind and made me feel so special, fancy dinners, great conversation, 5 star hotel rooms, trips, the works. I was one of about 10 women he was seeing at that time as well as prostitutes and group sex. I think your intuition is telling you to stay back, trust it and don't let him have you, you will be glad you didn't. You will hear something down the track about him that will confirm this and you'll be so happy you kept your dignity and didn't give in to those sexual lust feelings you're having. Hugs to you and thanks again for the help you gave me x

Thanks, Tryintoheal!

Your advice feels spot on. He is Cassanovaey in a writer kind of way. He loves adoring pretty, literate women! He also has tried to make me jealous with a couple of them before - one however is gay so that didn't work too well as he then got jealous that she liked me! I think you are right if I ever give in to those feelings I will be soon discarded after he's had his fun. Yes the unrequited lust is a red flag. Very interesting to hear about your experiences with a intellectual one! Got that Tiger Woods feel to it... Mine is wealthy but not THAT wealthy or living that kind of high life.

I probably should go NC - get out of Dodge as they say - as there really is no way for this to end well. I mean even if it stays as is - I just feel titillated and obsessed after I spend time with him as hard as I try not to. Obnoxious isn't it that I still feel jealous in thinking about him doing "this" with someone else! I know you have the same worries. I should recall all the many months of tears and feeling like dirt as he cancelled plans with me or barely saw me when he visited - or didn't call etc. My close friends who knew what was going on were saying "God you could do so much better than be treated like this!" I hate to admit I enjoy seeing his anxiety and neediness now the tables are turned - but I should just enjoy it and GET OUT as you suggest. I really don't want to relapse to where I was, Oh I do have his cat though. I am cat-sitting till he moves back here. Shoot. Have to figure that one out.

Wallaby, oh goodness!!! Go strong, remain in control

I just read your story, and am engrossed by your professional relationship, and all that is arising on the side!! From my learning, the N personalities like to groom, profile, and observe their prey, so they learn what your likes, hopes, dreams, and weakensses are, and then bang, go after your weaknesses. Your pride. Your values. Who you are as a person. Your character. They will and do turn the table on you everytime.

You said you pride yourself on not being with a married man. He would love for you to break this promise to yourself. You, the victim, he the champion.

They want nothing more than to dominate you. Be very careful.

They also like to destroy. Yes, strange, but true. Your obsessive thoughts and desires,,he knows he has you on a string.

He loves that you are longing for him, just thinking of the very blissful moment when you come together, and he feels nothing for you, except victory. Then you cannot concentrate, your work suffers, you feel confused, very confused, and realize you are playing his game.

Play your game, be very careful, heed those feelings "this is not quite right" be proactive, and do something, like, "you know, I think I am allergic to the cat, I think I will have her shipped back to you". Take tiny steps at regaining your ground. Dont' be afraid to be really loved. God help us. Before it goes further.

Amazed

Thanks you so much for all your advice - on this and on other threads. Being on this site has convinced me that I will not go "there" with him - and my urge to do so is way less now! Thank God!!!

I love the idea of the cat allergy - can't ship the cat to him for various reasons (this cat isafighter and nearly killed cat he has back East) - but I could offload it onto someone else.

yes I think you're right -"breaking me" would thrill him. Just thrill him.

And yes, I think you're right vis a vis having me obsessed with him - Victory is the only thing he feels. You sure know this N mind well!