Curlybrown's Story

Curlybrown's Story
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Where do I start? I read through this site and listened to the radio blogs and all of the stories sound like mine. The only difference that I've seen so far is that- I actually realized I was dating someone with narcissistic traits, broke up with him and let him "woo me" to get back together with him-after he realized I was dating someone new.

I met him on an on-line dating site and was immediately "falling hard". As soon as we met his charisma,entrepreneur qualities, strong "character" and never-before-seen confidence appealed to me like no other. Unlike other N's described-mine is not at the least "good-looking"; on the contrary- when people first met us together they would ask and say "wow, how did you catch this beauty." I would think that I realized early on that I was his "trophy."

The first 3 months of us dating- I excused his certain behaviors for a man that was afraid of commitment, but inside I knew something else was "off." I tried not to be skeptical, as I am accused of constantly. However, someone who always had to be right, spoke solely of himself, all of his past relationships ended because of the other woman's issues, non-existent relationship with his daughter, never admitting a fault, not understanding my daily stresses, ridiculing me when I complained, ignoring my birthday, telling me my son's diagnosed Asperger's Syndrome did not exist (that it was me "baby" him); and most apparent- lack of empathy.

The first time I ended it- he did not care right away- but about a month after me not responding to his texts or v/m's- he would appear at my job to take me to lunch to see how I was doing. I slowly started thinking "maybe he didn't realize what he had until it was gone"; "maybe he's just commitment phobic." I started to make excuses for the apparent truth- he's a narcissist. During our brief break-up I met another man that explained to me about the enneagram and people's personalities. I took the test and found myself to be a "6" the skeptic. I answered the questions for my N- who landed up being a "3" the Achiever. Achiever's are a few in society. When they are not healthy "3's" they can have narcissistic traits.

Hence, why he got so upset when he saw me with someone else. I blew his ego. The other guy asked him to leave the restaurant since he was ruining my evening. He called me like a mad-man, came by my house, promised me the world- if only I would give him a chance. Unfortunately, I did. This honeymoon stage lasted about a month during the time that I lost my job. I was even more compelled to stay with him for financial reasons. During this time, I got pregnant.

When we first found out- all he spoke about was HAVING TO GET AN ABORTION. I refused. This lasted for about 3 months until I told him it didn't matter what he said- that I was NOT going to get an abortion; and if he brought up the topic again- I would call his parents. As with most N's- appearance is everything. He didn't want them to know the situation and apologized to me for being so mean and said it was because of the shock. During this time he would use sex as a "weapon"- the more I wanted to share intimacy with him-the less he would cooperate. It was horrifying.

After the holidays, where we visited his family and mine. His in PA and mine in NY. I got to see first-hand the narcissim in his mother and 94 year-old grandmother. It was shocking. I suppose it was most shocking because I was correct in my assumptions. He put up the "act." Boy was it an act, and I still felt empty inside. When we returned he kept on pressuring me to move-in with him and I explained I couldn't. That our relationship has been on a roller coaster ride since the beginning. I explained that I couldn't pull my son out of school and put him in a new school in the middle of the year. That became my "excuse". I told him we would take the time to get to know eachother more before moving in together.

We spent everyday together and basically lived together out of my home, he paid most of my bills, and took care of things around the house. He came to some but not all of my dr's appts. A couple of weeks ago I hesitantly agreed to move in with him in a couple of months before our son was born. Two days later it was "attack of the narc"; when I complained about our lack of intimacy and how it was still an issue.

He came over last week and when I cried about his lack of empathy and not being here for me while not having any family here. His response "you will not get empathy from me, that has been a problem in all of my relationships, look elsewhere for empathy". He left my home while I was in tears. He sent me flowers the next day apologizing for the night before, saying "we can do better, happy valentine's day". But was M.I.A. for the entire weekend. I did not bother to call him or answer the one call he made to me. I told him on Monday that I was done. Completely done with the roller coaster ride. I explained that I couldn't love someone who couldn't love me back. He said "fine" and hung up.

He called me today to ask me about my dr's appt tomorrow and fixing my garage door. I explained that there was no need for him to go with me and that "I would let him know about the door". I was trying to be strong. He said it was an easy yes or no. I said if he needed a yes or no- then it was a no. He stated that he also called to see if I needed anything and that I could call him if I did. I said ok and hung up.

Well, I called him a little while ago and told him the time for my appointment tomorrow. He stayed silent. I asked him if he wanted to go and of course he turned it around and stated that he wouldn't answer that question. He said he wouldn't answer that question because if he said yes- I would say that he never went with me before; and that if he said no- I would say then why did he ask. He further stated that he didn't know how to talk to me because I wasn't someone who he could talk to.

Everyone...please help me stay strong...I don't know what to do. I'm pregnant, unemployed with no family here. I want to move back to my home state but would have to take my son out of the school during the school year and by the end of next month in order to be able to travel while pregnant.

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I had a baby with my exN and

I had a baby with my exN and during the pregnancy he was horrible and sometimes slightly nice. I also lived alone as I wouldn't go and live with him in the middle of no-where in the countryside. I lived on my own for 6 months with my baby in London. So much better to be near family and friends and it was fine. He would come to visit and when she was born treated me like a nanny, wouldn't even say hello some mornings to me only her when she was sitting on my lap. He moved in because he had money problems. With what I know now, I think your best bet is to leave and get away from him. Cut the ties now. He won't get better and you have another child he will not be good with. I did go onto having another baby with him but it got even worse. I'm obviously glad I had the children but it's a high price to pay that I didn't realise at the time. Sometimes I wish I'd got the hell out and not even told him I was pregnant with the first but I also have a lovely son so can't regret staying for that reason and only that reason. They make appalling father's and then you're trapped with them if you stay and they make it hard when you leave and you have to go through all the visitation stuff, and they use the children as weapons. You'll do well on your own, you know what you're doing as you're already a mum and your friends and family will help.

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I'm So Sorry...

you are going through this. ForeverLearning has given an amazing response, so it's hard to add value!

I agree that you should move to your home state. My story which is posted, is somewhat similar, but I chose not to keep the child. I would have loved to continue with the pregnancy, but given his instability, and constant threats of breakup, and then his sudden disinterest in having the baby, I didn't think I had the support I needed from my partner.

I know how vulnerable you must feel, esp. since you're away from your family, and because you're pregnant. These Ns prey on our vulnerability, and kick us when we're down. By moving home, you at least have your family, and although it's an inconvenience for your son, your mental health during the pregnancy is more important.

Telling you your son does not have Asperger's is beyond cruel. In your delicate state, you need someone who will be supportive, and help you through the pregnancy. He is doing more harm than good.

If you have other options (other than staying with him), I really think you should take it. I've only been away from my xN for 1 month, and although it's been excruciating on most days, it still feels better than when you're in it. When you get away from that environment of being in a relationship with him, you'll be able to see more clearly. And feel lighter. The getting out of it is the tough part.

Hope that helps.

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nycsurvivor

You're right getting out is the tough part. Keeping NC seems hard enough...especially being pregnant and getting texts that are sent to make it "seem" like he cares when the truth is he doesn't.

I need the strength and power to make a move and at the same time I'm so fearful. I know I have to and just pray that I do before the baby is born.

I am so sorry for your loss and know it must have been tough. I went back and forth with my N on it. At one time I almost conceded. He called the dr. right away for the appointment (same day, 5 min. later) and asks me if I ate anything because we could leave right away and "save" us. I went balistic and told him that he wasn't saving me and that I would do it by myself. I just have to stick to that word.

I'm glad for your support as it seems we need eachother to get through and past these N's and keep NC.

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curlybrown

I know it's very hard to leave, esp. when they give you mixed messages. They are not bad 100% of the time, and so when you see the caring side, you want to hold onto that as evidence of that's who they really are, but their real side is the uncaring, unsupportive, unstable behavior they exhibit.

Yes, the loss was difficult, especially b/c it's harder to get pregnant as you get older. He came with me to the obgyn visits, wanted me to eat healthy, and seemed oh soooo caring, but when he suddenly shifted from wanting the baby to insisting on the abortion, I knew I could not handle that kind of stress during a pregnancy.

I had to save myself. It was "fine" to take that kind of abuse from him before, with all the uncertainty, and constantly pulling the rug out, but to do that when I had his child, I couldn't take it. I was worried about being under stres during the pregnancy and causing harm to the child. Plus, I didn't want a father who was going to come and go as he pleased.

You will know what to do when the time is right. I know you're scared about moving. Try to get a little stronger each day. You still have a bit of time until the baby is due.

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I Feel For You

Barbara is going to recommend you get into therapy ASAP, and she is right. Pregnant and frightened and alone without support is no way to be.

I will give you my opinion. I say pull your son out of school and move back with your family. I can tell from reading your story, that is what you want to do, because you are scared and all alone, this man is not there for you, and pregnancy alone is terrifying.

I worked for the past 5 years with Asperger's kids along with the entire Autism spectrum and the mentally retarded and disabled. The fact this man told you that your son is the way he is due to you over-mothering him, is disgusting.

I have learned alot in the past few months around here. One thing I read is that, when they show you who THEY REALLY ARE, BELIEVE THEM. When he told you he has NO EMPATHY, and in all previous relationships he was accused of having no empathy, well I would think you can safely believe, this is a guy who doesnt empathize with others. And that is a bad sign for your future with him. A terrible sign actually. Because relationships are about caring for one another, feeling for one another. Not coldness, aloofness, mental abuse, head games, selfishness, and abandonment. Especially not while the one you profess to love, is pregnant with your child, and very vulnerable and in need of love, support, and help in many ways.

I'll tell you a bit about the bastard I was with 14 years and had 2 kids with. He also has no empathy. He had told me he was surprised he was not a serial killer.

And I had to agree with him.

Whenever I was sick, laying on the floor, he would step over me to get to the toilet. No helping me or getting medicine for me. No inquiry as to how I was. It was as if I didnt even exist. Can you imagine? Weird as hell, I know. Narcissists and Psychopaths are weird, that is the very foundation of who they are. They are not human - Golden rule # 1 to remember about them.

The 2 pregnancies I had with this loser were riddled with Pre-Eclampsia (High Blood Pressue) - life threatening. During the 2nd pregnancy, he wouldnt even drive me to the hospital when I went into pre-term labor. I drove myself.

Once he finally showed up just before delivery, they couldnt get the needle into my back for the anesthesia (epidural). I was pregnant mid to late 30's and have vast arthritis - the needle wouldnt go in to the space between vertebrae due to bone deterioration and bone spurs.

3 different, painful attempts in different spots in my back, to get the needle in, all while having pre term labor and Pre-Eclampsia. My blood pressure was through the roof, and I was panicking.

My husband, for no reason and without provication, made nasty but matter of fact comments to the anesthesiologist who was trying to get the needle into my back, comments about what a complainer I was, and how much a pain in the ass women were in general.

The anesthesiologist actually stopped what he was doing and looked at my husband, stunned and in utter shock. I think he (the anesthesiologist) realized he was standing next to a Psychopath..... and it frightened him. He was visibly disturbed after that for some time (the anesthesiologist).

8 years into the 14 year relationship with this bastard I developed cancer from the stress of living with a Narcissist Psychopath Alcoholic (bad combo by the way, real bad combo).

At the time, I didn't know these terms/ classifications, just that he was a real loser major league asshole. When I had my cancer surgery, he used the opportunity that I was gone from the house, to go party with friends and tie on a major alcoholic bender. Not out of feeling bad for me, but out of the need to party and take advantage that I was under the knife during a very delicate cancer surgery, and not around the house to get in his way.

So in a nutshell, if you have family you can go live with, I would highly recommend it. It will only get worse once the baby is here, and you have no sleep, trying to breastfeed, deal with your Aspergers syndrome son, and up every 2 hours with the baby all while dealing with this unsupportive, non-sympathetic loser. Imagine what an asshole he will be when the baby cries at night and disturbs his sleep.

The school relocation is a small price to pay. Most schools special education classes are filled with very good people anyway, I feel confident they will assist with the smooth transfer of your son into their classroom once you move back with your family.
If you experience any problems during the transition, speak to the school counselor, vice principal and principal, get to know them and establish relationships with them - it helps in the long run to be well known at the school as a very involved parent who is friendly, positive, and does not HESITATE to deal with problems HEAD ON regarding the teachers who are working in the special ed classes with your son.

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

Just remain positive, friendly and persistent and in constant communication (face to face if possible) with the new school staff - and you should have no problems with bringing your son to a new school during the school year.

Hang in there and don't go it alone, pregnancy is tough enough without an asshole as your only support system.

If this man is meant to be in your life and your childs life, it will evolve over time as it should, and you will be more confident to move back in with him in the future.

But right now, he is more harm than help, it sounds like.

Just my 2 cents. My opinions are certainly formed much by what I have lived through myself, but I luckily had family close by who helped me through it all. I COULD NOT have done it without them close by, always helping me - becaues the BASTARD was no help, only a MAJOR HINDERANCE.

God bless you and all the best to you.

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Thank you so much ForeverLearning

Forever Learning- I have read your response several times to keep me strong and self reliant. It works at times. Your wisdom is the knowledge spoken on what should be done and CAN be done. You are so right! I know you are correct in your statements and I KNOW if I wasn't pregnant I would leave in a heartbeat. I have my ups and downs and am trying to not base my decision on emotions.

I am so so sorry for everything that you have endured during your relationship with your N. It's bad enough to be involved with an N but an alcoholic as well-omg. The stories when you were ill and he was there for you was just frigtening. I'm glad we have this forum as support for eachother.

I received a text from him last night stating-that he would prefer that I not put my sonogram pictures on my facebook please. If I cared at all about his feelings. And that he used the castiron grill I got him to make a burger and how it was great. Typical narc? I got so upset- cause all of the responses from my family and friends made me feel so great about this pregnancy- and his- well...I told you. I probably made the mistake to respond and say that I would prefer to keep our communication to a minimum since its rarely positive and that the baby and I needed positive energy now.

I'm hurt...why I don't know. I feel like I shouldn't care and move on with no emotion. But I guess I can't since I'm not a narcissist.

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Forever Learning and CurlyBrown

FL - What an unbelievable, terrifying ordeal. It must have taken amazing strength for you to move on from that. He sounds cold as ice. Monster.

CurlyBrown - Glad you found this site. I hope you take the advice you get here. Now that you know what he is, at least that's a start. Welcome . . .

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welcome Curlybrown

Get into therapy with a TRAUMA COUNSELOR IMMEDIATELY - call a DV Center if you need to get an advocate ASAP to get this man completely out of your life - NOW

Stop talking to him and get an Attorney IMMEDIATELY to get Child Support!! IMMEDIATELY!!!
http://www.childsupportlawfirms.com/

- PLEASE go through ALL the pages on 'Message Board' as I have loaded it with articles and your questions have probably already been asked and answered many many times. Click through the pages and read what interests you. You'll get up to speed and learn a LOT.

- PLEASE read the stories of others on SHARE YOUR STORY. This alone is one of the most validating things you can do! Far too many become completely wrapped up in their own drama... which just makes it all worse. It will also help you see the pattern of their INCURABLE PATHOLOGY.

- PLEASE read through our whole blog: http://www.lisaescott.com/blog - chock full of articles about Ns and healing

Get a hold of a copy of Lisa's book (Link in the Right Column)

Please read ALL the Rules prior to posting on our Boards, as well.

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Remember this board is NEVER to be used as a replacement for therapy. Please find a therapist and start going as SOON as possible for whatever level of PTSD he's left you with!!

BLOCK HIS EMAILS, IMs and TEXTS
change your phone & cell numbers if you have to
don't ALLOW him to contact you again... DO NOT ALLOW IT!
and do NOT contact him in any way... that includes looking at his Facebook, MySpace, LinkedIn asking friends, etc.
NO CONTACT until Support is settled!!! Let him talk to your attorney!!!

Get to a PTSD/ trauma counselor ASAP...

Healing classically takes a MINIMUM of 18 months (with TOTAL NC) and you will need ongoing support & help from a professional. Please get it ASAP.

My nephew has Asperger's Syndrome - he's in college now and doing well. Screw him if he thinks its fake. Asperger's can be worked with - NARCISSISM IS INCURABLE - so he's the one with the problem!!!!
http://www.familyvillage.wisc.edu/Lib_aspe.htm

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