Lisa E. Scott

Wearing Me Down

Wearing Me Down

I've been with my NH for 18 years and he has cheated on me the majority of the time/internet porn/married hook-up websites, etc and been mostly verbally & emotionally abusive with some physical abuse in the past. After all these years of being mistreated and ignored I finally had an affair. I know my situation is no excuse but in a way it was good for me in that I could see how being with a normal man might be. My NH found out in April after a couple of months and over the summer I tried to leave several times because he became extremely overbearing, reading the scriptures to me to tell me what I should and shouldn't do and now that I've cheated pretty much that we are even, the past is the past, I need to forgive and forget, separation and divorce will hurt the children, it's not God's will.

I have been going to counseling during the time. I left him for 3 months and went back in November. It felt very dramatic, like I was escaping from prison. I moved stuff to my parent's house over the summer, and while he was gone a few hours one Saturday, talked to the kids, who didn't want to go with me because they were mad at me since he told them what I did. I couldn't bear the thought of not being with the children during the holidays, and he convinced me in early November to go with him to a fundraising dance in our community of which he is the president of the organization. I girl there hit hard on him and I think I felt jealous, not sure why because I know he has nothing for me. Why did I feel like that? I think it's a self-esteem issue, he's made me feel so bad about myself in the past. I felt I needed to go back and explore these feelings to see if I could work it out.

Now it's February and I feel trapped in a marriage to which I don't feel love or committment for my NH. He says I can't leave again, how could I do that for the children (they are almost 13 and 16). I get lectures on various marriage topics nearly every day. He says he wants to work it out but doesn't understand how I feel after what I've been through with him. He wants to put together a plan to rebuild our marriage, but I'm totally unfeeling and unmotivated at this point.

What should I do? I don't want to hurt my children or anyone but I'm so unhappy.

Control

Sounds like this man is all about control. Why did he tell the children about your affair? To shame you! Why if he talks forgiveness? Did he tell the children about his affairs? Did you?

This is all about control. What is most comfortable for him. Your kids don't see him for what he is?

How much more time do you want to waste on this man? Holidays are a bad time. Children are so difficult in these situations.

He's gonna be finished with you one day and either discard you or force you to leave him. That's after the kids are gone & you are all used up. Or, if it never ends, life will be locked into a room with somebody who hates you for an eternity. He may not want you to leave because Ns want the facade of respectability.

So what you had an affair! Time to move on. Stop punishing yourself. Doesn't he punish you enough already?

Figuring Things Out Takes Time

Figuring things out takes time, bottom line. Sad but true.

Actually not so sad really, if you look at life as one big journey of continuous learning.

If you could take the emotional pain and suffering out of the equation, the learning part is actually kind of satisfying and fun!

That's because for some of us (me especially), it's fun to find out you weren't insane after all!

I treasure everything I have learned in the past year of trying to figure my life out.

Just a shame to have to go through hell to learn this stuff, isn't it? Oh well, that's life I guess! No instruction manuals, etc.

Listen, I feel for you so much, totally understand what you are going through. We all do. I am 40, have kids, and have experienced the same situation.

It is EXTREMELY COMMON, and so is the way you are feeling - confused about whether or not to stay with him, afraid of losing your kids.

You are not alone, first and foremost, please please realize that. There is great comfort for me, knowing I am not alone in having gone through this experience.

I was lied to for 14 years by a Narcissist Psychopath, whom I have children with.

The exact term for the lies I have lived through is "Gaslighting".

It'll make ya feel crazy, sister!

Read all the articles on here about Gaslighting.

I was an honest person, I didnt have a clue that "Gaslighting" even existed.
I simply thought I was going insane for many years.

It is a terrible existence feeling that way. This was all before the internet and way before this website.

I developed cancer from the stress of it all.

You need to talk this all out to figure out what you are going to do for your future, and that will take time.

You need to go to a female counselor (not a male, they just can't relate as well, my opinion). If you don't click with her, try another until you find one you click with.

Avoid the "religious" based counselors. You've got enough scripture in your life for now! ha ha

And go to counseling ALONE for now, - NOT marriage counseling. You need to figure out if you really want to give away any more of your precious life to this guy.

Regular psychologists or other type certified counselors should work just fine to help you get this sorted out.

Remember, counselors are only human, and since they are only human, not everything they suggest may work for you. Remember that and listen with an open mind but not blind faith. You have to ultimately decide all things for yourself, in order to have faith you are making good decisions for you. Sounds vague but take it day by day to get through this mess, and gain an understanding of how you feel about things as your unravel it all.

Also try to get a counselor who is your age or older (she will have more life experiences and can relate to you, hopefully).

Figuring things out takes time, that is simply how it works.

I suggest reading everything on this site, spend an hour or more a day, educating yourself.

Ultimately, learning all you can is the key to helping you make your decision.

Having said all that, let me now give you my personal opinion. Remember, you can take it or leave it of course.

I think your husband is a Life-Long Liar. Don't know if he is a Narcissist or Psychopath, but very well could be, since he cheated on you for so long, I feel confident he does not have much of a conscience. He is only sad he was caught, if anything.

Him telling the kids your personal problems within the marriage, that you were unfaithful - makes him a real bastard in my opinion. He did this to smear you and turn the kids against you. Not a nice guy. A hateful loser, actually. Again, no conscience - didnt even care that the kids suffer by being told all this stuff, too!

I think your husband hides behind religion and the scriptures to control you, and hide his bad deeds. Again, very common, by the way - he is by no means the first to use religion to control a spouse and appear virtuous to others, when in actuality he is a very twisted man on the inside.

Walking on eggshells. Sucks doesnt it? I did it for 14 years. It's no way to live. I was in a relationship for 7 years before that - no eggshells in that one. That one was pretty normal.

The difference between the eggshell one and the non-eggshell one was night and day. It really was!

I think you already know in your heart you want to leave this man for good, just don't know how without losing the kids. I understand.

That is why, this is just going to take time, for you to get your head straight, get knowledgable of what you have endured for 18 years, talk it out with a counselor, make a decision, and get a plan together. You can also take this time to re-establish a stronger relationship right now, with your kids.

I think the worst case scenario is you stay with him, he appears to straighten up for a little while, then goes back to the same old ways (sex and porn addictions are strong addictions, by the way, and require professional help...... and Narcissism can't really be helped professionally - they only lie, lie, and lie some more to the counselors, according to the info out there about these Narcissists. Same true for Psychopaths. I am only repeating what I have read around here and elsewhere).

Good luck to you, I hope you and your kids are safe and God watches over you while take time to figure out what you want for the rest of your life.

In the end I hope your decision is based on hope, and not fear. I want to see you truly peaceful, and hopefully happy- as I do for everyone here, and for myself.

God bless you!

absolutely right

ForeverLearning is right on...

I only disagree with one thing - I've known some wonderful male counselors. But NO MARRIAGE COUNSELING... Lundy Bancroft even says its DANGEROUS with an N or P.

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The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem

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Marriage Counselors

I started going to counseling in the summer, she's a woman about 10 years older than me. My husband calls her "new age" like she has put all these crazy ideas in my head but I wish she could be with me when I talk to him. She knows exactly what to say! Going to her has made me more assertive and he hates that. I definitely wouldn't go to marriage counseling, anyway he says the only counselor he needs is God! He can now spout out every verse of the Bible to condemn me and make me do "the right thing" but does he ever go to church, no!

My counselor recommended an excellent book, "Invisible Scars, How to Stop, Change or End Psycholgoical Abuse" by Catharine Dowda.

We have role-played several times, with me pretending to be him and she is me. I know exactly what he is going to say, he gives me the same talks, uses the same catch-phrases.

I like going to counseling too because I don't feel like I'm burdening my friends more than I need to. They all think I should be long gone but my friends and family have told me they support me no matter what I do. People in normal relationships who have never dealt with a N or other pathological person don't really understand. It's harder than they would think to just leave these people! But I will for good this next time!!

Life is a learning journey

Life is a learning journey and I do need to think of this situation like that. Although I wish I could have avoided this but at least I am wiser (I guess I'm a slow learner, ha! ha!).

I hope you're cancer is in remission and that you're doing much better! I will say a prayer for you!

I really am at the point I know I don't want to be with him but I have found out some interesting things since I've been back since November. My 12 year old daughter told me while I was gone her dad would tell her mean things to say to me on the phone and if she didn't say them he would get really mad.

She also said he made me look really bad to his family. I was really close to his mom previously, do you think I should tell her the whole situation? One friend I've confided in told me not to bother, blood is thicker than water anyway, but I just want her to understand. He made her think I left for another man (which I didn't, I just needed to get away to think but he wouldn't let me with his hours long phone calls each day)I think but she does know about the abuse in the past. I left for a few days in 2004 and came back but things didn't really change; she probably doesn't realize that.

He convinced the kids that he changed while I was gone and so they started thinking of me as the bad person and wouldn't come live with me. Maybe they will this time. But it was harder on them not having me in the home so I'm sure they will be mad at me at first for leaving; I know that teenagers have themselves on the forefront, that's normal, but I would be doing this for all of us in the long run.

This time I will come up with a plan since I know now what I will face when I leave (the smear campaign, alienation attempts from the kids, more verbal assaults).

I haven't been to my counselor in a few months but I have scheduled an appointment for next week.

Thanks for your advice, I do agree with you!

Same thing happened to me

you felt unloved by this man and ended up feeling loved by another. Same thing happened to me except opposite, my husband abused me and I went into the fake loving arms of a sociopath, I was perfect bait. Feeling unloved is horrible, to feel so lonely and alone thats when you say and know the relationship is WRONG and you deserve so much more.My husbands abuse lead me to self destruction I went from one abuser to a professional top notch abuser because I was so lonely. I resent my husband to this day for not making me feel loved

cynthia

I hear you girl!I'd just found out my kids dad had cheated on me for over a year on the net!!!!He had been unattentive all during this time and verbally cruel to me.After i found out- i met this guy 2 months later.I went from frying pan in to the fire.Me and the kids dad had been divorced but living together as husband/wife.It catapulted me in to the abyss..........

just read my story

same here... I was so abused by exNH when Psycho-Boy came back into my life after a 22 year absence. And I "thought" I knew him.

I was already crunchy for a predator!

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The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem

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never ignore abuse

or just hope it will go away, because even while we think we can handle a non sociopath's abuse we are only fooling ourselves. All the years with my husband I KNEW he was wrong so I just ignored his outbursts but deep inside me I was so hungry to be loved I craved it and longed for it. I would often say to myself I wish a man would come into my life and sweep me off my feet so I could leave my abusive asshole husband, I never went looking for a relationship outside my marriage I always just hoped one day my husband would see his ways and change or I would have the courage to leave. Well that man did come into my life and he swept me away then left me on the curb when he was done with me. You self destruct when you ignore or tolerate an abusive partner, what an injustice that was done to me, here I was steadfast faithful to my abusive husband for over 20 years then just my luck a predator comes into my life, stupid me I should have known any decent man would not get involved with a married woman but I was sooo lonely I just saw stars when this man conned me I couldnt even think straight. Thats what I get for being tolerant and faithful to my husband for all those years, I get a psychopath that was my reward for my loyalty to my marriage then I lose it all to a disordered person, everything I was so proud of in myself just thrown away. I know he was a predator and they are skilled at their game but talk about bad luck.

Listen to my inner voice, I

Listen to my inner voice, I know that's what I need to do because it's been telling me for a long time this isn't right. I hate you went through that, you definitely deserve much better! Sounds like you're not still with your husband. That sucks you give your whole self and life to someone to be unappreciated and abused

No even!

HE broke the marriage covenant.while two wrongs do not a right make=IT was HE,not you that broke his vows to you.He is the ADULTERER,and,caused you to sin.Its the one who breaks the covenant(commits the adultery first that is to blame).

Amy T

I too, was driven to an affair by my exNH.

Go to the SHARE YOUR STORY section and read these stories.

Grossot is right. Your NH had no right to say a word to the children. That is harmful to them and emotional blackmail. Call some tough divorce lawyers, get 2-3 free consults and hire a bulldog because Narcs rarely let go easily. Have them explain your options to you. But do NOT tell your NH you are doing this.

What you do is up to you but children deserve a healthy, N-free home. Mine are sure enjoying theirs.

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The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem

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amy t

While I can't tell you what to do, I can tell you how reading your story makes me feel: frustrated.

Your H had no right to tell your children about your affair. He drove you to it. After his affairs; he broke the marriage. There was nothing there for you to have destroyed; especially since it sounds like he has absolurly no remorse for what he continuously did to you and you obviously forgave and forgave and forgave.
I think the kids would be healthier to have a healthy mom. They may be mad for a while after you leave but if you can show them consistent selfless love they will see the difference between you and their dad in a matter of time.

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nolongercontrolled

Thanks, you all are right,

Thanks, you all are right, he did break our marriage vows first and funny thing is I've found out it started pretty early in the marriage. We've been married 18 years and it seems like things changed immediately, like on the wedding night. He was 23 and didn't want to consummate the marriage, was too tired, but we did. On the honeymoon his back hurt. Found out for certain it he was actually cheating on me by the 4th year and his temper has always been crazy, you never know when it might hit even over the smallest things, like walking on eggshells. There were warning signs before the marriage but I think maybe I was just too young to heed them and attributed them to other things. I didn't listen to my inner voice.

I'm 43 and I feel like if I don't leave him soon I never will and in another 10 or 15 years I'll be looking back, regretting not doing it. He is exceptionally controlling now that he doesn't feel secure that he has me. When we were separated he called me hours at a time every day, was worried about people knowing we weren't together, said I wore separate "like a badge of honor", couldn't understand I was trying to set boundaries so I could have time to think, which I probably didn't because he wouldn't leave me alone. The other thing I didn't say is that the other man was one of his friends so that has made things a little more volatile. He thinks what I've done is worse than his gazillion encounters because he actually knows the person, but I don't really see the difference.

I love this site, it is comforting (but disturbing that it's so common) in a way to know other people are going through or have gone through the same things.