PTSD...barely holding head over water

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#1 Feb 8 - 12PM
peacewarrior
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PTSD...barely holding head over water

I am making some progress to accept I am not guilty of anything that caused my daughter's cruel, lying and abusive behavior. Nor that she has no empathy or recognition of her unbelievable behavior or setting me up to use, abuse me. I am not all the fault of others going along as taught to be her whipping boy either.

I don't know which pieces of this to work through first or maybe there are so many components it's more than I am equipped to process.

I reached out to another daughter who is not N hopeful we could have a relationship between us and not what the N sister feeds her. I'd like to see 2 daughters who are not cruel however given they like to pretend dangerous destuctiv persons..manipulators don't do what they do..I am mourning what is not posible.

The exN/P died two years ago, horrible death from a brain tumor in the control center of the brain. People hypothesized after he died he could not ontinue to target me, glean a piece of info under the guise of "care" then do diabolical things self serving.

So after his death, immediately after...I heard enough from my kids to grasp "all" was my fult..their and their dad's behaviors..were going to be scapegoated and I was told only I needed "to be fixed"..they wanted to see me..yet the terms were clear. they do recognize "ommunication problems"..thn their resolution is..I get shipped for "fixing". We know t's don't fix us to lie, control, manipulate or brainwash us to let others be the only voicse and authority over us and others..nor dictate, order...be verbaly abusive.
I accepted them and declined the offer/terms.

After the experience with this daughter..viscious cycle repeated it's different. for the N/P dad is dead..so hope..the fragile thread is cut. this duaghter and the others are in varying degrees so damaged and it's permanent. Pre them it's going to always be whatever happens..only one person do all the changing-tag it's me.

I do still hav my interests, can still mentally desire yet I have zero motivation...everything pales in comparison to mourning the loss of one or more offspring. They are predictable..if one turns on you..the others are soon to follow..sheep. I believe at least subconsciously they learned the abuse, sadistic cruelty if you don't go along with the dominator..you'll be next.

Maybe it's my horror to not have any control and I feel despondent the remaining option is to stay away, remove myself. I lost a friend who told me she does not want to believe it's so bad...or my daughter outright lied to me..so that is another loss also.
I have had enough with people's ill advice if I am nice, cheerful, don't say this..that..have fun.then they will want me. the real issue is needing a scapegoat, entitlement, projection. they'd find be useful..if I'd be used...and have no feelings..to be used as a scapegoat..discarded senst off for "fixing"..then come back and do it again..."be" the Mr. Hyde of many..I pass.

I can work through the false accusations, distortion and projections. I am stuck, frozen to accept the familial dynamics to act as if nothing happened after burying me in it..and expectations...I come back for another round.

It's heartbreaking when an offspring is so dmaged like if you found out they are addicted to cocaine. It's worse if they con people yo are the drug addict..compounded abuse.

I can't stop people who scapegoat..it works for them. I have ceased trying to appeal to N daughter..she doesn't care..she serves her fictional sick self..as I was to do also.

I am beside myself with grief..shock I think that I can't exonerate myself..for no one cares about false blame, destruction, damages and they are fine if someone is abusive.

Feb 11 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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forgive yourself - for being normal, human and real

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/12/forgiving-one-who-deserves-forgiveness.html ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 8 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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peacewarrior

You can't exonerate yourself to a sick evil person or even someone brainwashed to believe you're bad. If that's a child I can only IMAGINE how painful that is. Are you in counseling? Spoken to your doctor about it? Please at least get counseling for this... and avoid contact with these toxic persons. You did what you could. Maybe in time one will see the light... all you can do is continue to be a person of good character. And get help for you. Hug. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 10 - 10AM (Reply to #2)
peacewarrior
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thanks Barbara

I apologize for being so long winded. I get so stuck as if I could know something and say "this is it"...yet I know I can't undo the past. I have so much guilt I did not have wisdom to know the ex N/P was playing mind games..doing the same..stuff to others. I lived being a responsible attenive mom..and waiting so I could leave..get away from "it" that got worse each year. I feel shame..for not knowing the mental abuse, pathalgoic games..sick stuff that went on. I am stuck in grief that serious damage happened and it's permanent. I csan't let go it was my responsiblity to protect my children and I failed at this not knowing they wre told things behind clossed doors. I wish I could make this up to them however my credibility, self was annihalated, destroyed as all others people was.
Feb 10 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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peacewarrior

these guys trick PROFESSIONALS you did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG!!! You were fooled by pure evil. A professional con man. YOU DID NOTHING WRONG!!! You were prey, a target - hypnotized by a pro. http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/18/youve-been-brainwashed-part-i http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/30/how-ns-erode-your-identity http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/07/blaming-victim-narcissism http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/07/self-preservation-under-narcissistic-abuse are you in therapy with a trauma counselor???? ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 17 - 12PM (Reply to #9)
peacewarrior
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reading links posted by Barbara

Truthfully I feel angry I need to revisit this to get back out again. Thank you for the links. I am reading them. I went to a so called trauma counselor in hope EMDR would help me for paralyzing ptsd. I did not believe nor think other people would do what my abuser and his recruits had done. Yet I was aware of my condition, open I was paralyed emotionally terrified anything I did would be used to torture me and terrorize others. I new I could not take any more of this pushed beyond my human endurance. misunderstood I fear otehr and started telling me I am "paranoid" about people. I guess she could not believe nor did she care to know if I got help the ex would use that as "proof" I and a T are "engaging in P lies..objectify us, use that to terrorize people, incite hatred and I'd be targeted as if I am Sadaam Hussein and I really could not tolerate one more annihalting crucifying instance. I could not bare one more person conned by a P and hurt beyond words. I worked for a company for 14 years and even the company, my bosses were assignated as P liars. Producing my W-2 I was given looks as if I counterfitted it...then all the comments about "depraved bosses" other people was unbearable.Pathalogical lie, lie about their lies and spin you are depraved putting words in their mouth..you you destroy people and their lives! At a point I truly weighed death as an option if that was the only way to protect myself from the violting humiliating degradation and to spare others. No one did anything to be persosnified as a depraved pyschopath...just the P. AT times I have fantasized to leave the P's deposition sworn under oath...so people know he did say those things then lie painting me as deprved...I madde it up. I'd like to leave a note..read it..see it..I told you so...no one cared enough about me to know or care what is truth. It's difficult to live knowing no one cared about me at all..not even to check out facts. My life did not matter to many. It does to me and it mattered someone stole my identity and conned people aobut me and others destroying who they are.
Feb 10 - 10AM (Reply to #3)
rache
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peacewarrier

You cannot help what you didnt know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Heck,did any of us know?no! IF we did would we have asked for this hell?You have got to forgive yourself!God forgave you and now YOU need to forgive you......
Feb 11 - 12PM (Reply to #4)
cynthia (not verified)
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You have got to forgive yourself

Still working on this one, I know one thing I will forgive myself before I forgive him. I will never forgive him, I wont allow him to destroy my life anymore but I simply cant forgive him, never
Feb 11 - 4PM (Reply to #5)
peacewarrior
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forgiving what we did not know

I don't even know if I deserve credit for learning what I did not know. for going out no matter how damn hard it was to counseling, asking, reading, learning, SANON (didscovering ex's secret sex life), the YWCA weekly women's group..shouted at "you are wrong..there is no abuse!" because I had no black eye or broken bone..at that time. Learning became an issue to use as proof I am crazy, making things up, saying No loudly used to declare me "the problem"..domino effect. The abuse escalated so in a way did I not cause the escalation speaking out, identifying the abuse and addressing how not to abuse? Something else I did not know..some people want to abuse others..or they "feel good hurting other people" I did not know there are people not serial killers or sadistic tortures that thrive on it nor that type of personality seeks to do it and con people it's me. Then there are things..no one could have expected..such as doing my part to hve a physical relationship with a spouse, he pretend to be on board with that but behind my back humiliating me telling people I am "acting out sexually"..sexually psychotic to scramble up..disorder who is whom for his secret porn movies, secret internet porn, secret attendance at strip clubs, secret sex is control women..mother issues? to maintain his self moral, asexual, pristine above all others? Then the family email account fills with xxx porn messages? Then con people I am the liar, I "make things up to destroy people" and it's me who did those things. He conned two therapists..I had secret urges to be a stripper!!!They were told I lie and deny my behavior. That was the last time I went to those counselors...something smelled foul. I have decided this..not I nor is anyone "a bad person" to not let or get away from an abusive person.
Feb 11 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
rache
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Lies

Pathologicals,are,pathological LIARS! Whom my ex SOCIOPATH/NARCISSIST Is king...........your ex sounds like a psychopath,And,they are very hard to identify even trained professionals are deceived by them.You and God and us women here know the truth.Listen to your gut....you WILL come out on top of this and your ex will fall just like the rest of these periless men!
Feb 17 - 3PM (Reply to #7)
Barbara (not verified)
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evil

they are sheer evil http://howtospotadangerousman.blogspot.com/2008/10/soul-slayer-psychological-evil.html http://trubblescatboxandotherabusive.blogspot.com/2010/02/be-sober-be-watchful-your-adversary.html ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims