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I got my final divorce papers today. I didnt even cry.
He is doing to son what he did to me. He told son a bold face lie over the phone. Son had put him on speaker phone and i could hear what he was saying. He told son he has called him all week and his phone would just ring and ring and he sent him text messages and son never answered. Son got off the phone and said that is bs. he hasnt called me and only text me 1 time a day. he said im mad at him and im not going to respond to him.
I really believe my therapist is right but i believe its going to happen before he reaches college. i believe before to long he will look at his dad and say enough and im done with you.
oh he wants to be friends.
August 29, 2009 - 10:59am — justwantpeaceoh he wants to be friends. i just said no thanks im not interested. i said you couldnt treat me the way i needed to be treated as a wife so i dont believe you would be able to treat me the way i needed to be treated as a friend.
the only problem about the party its in a public place.
he and his mom and sister have treated his brother like crap because he didnt go along with them. he took up for his wife and did what was right. i feel sorry for him. he let ex have it a couple of days ago. so ex is really trying to pour on the charm not just with me and brother but with everybody.
they went to see his sister this weekend (minus brother and his wife, not invited) to celebrate ex's and sons bday to sister celebrating sons bday to them coming here to celebrate sons bday next weekend. i just said no thank you and told son to they need to celebrate his bday this weekend.
justwantpeace
August 29, 2009 - 1:39pm — Barbara (not verified)what does the boundary letter say about how far he is to stay away from you?
Take it with you - he shows - CALL THE POLICE
no more excuses - CALL THE POLICE and have him, his mother and any of his 'supporters' removed. Tell your son you may have to do this up front so he isn't shocked.
and if anyone calls you a nasty bitch or anything else, just say thank you. It's time to take back your dignity, your space and you boundaries.
If you exNH tunes you out - he won't tune out the police. I can guarantee exNH is already planning with his mommy how to crash the party. He could CARE LESS what you say. SO HAVE YOU ACTION PLAN IN PLACE - 911!
And tell the management at the place, if there is any - what is going on so they block him & Mommy or try to. And if they still get in - 911!!!!
DO IT and have the boundary letter with you! And calmly tell the police, yes - you'd be HAPPY to file a report when they come
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oh they are going to come.
August 29, 2009 - 8:37pm — justwantpeaceoh they are going to come. they havent called me and i actually had a day of nc with ex.
his brother got the call. this was a slap in the face to him. they are pathetic. his mom called and said what time is the party and are we getting an invitation. well we were going to go out on sisters boat but its suppose to rain so we are going to go do something else. he actually got rude with her and said i havent a clue about the details of the party and have a good time bye. that was a slap in the face to him because they didnt invite him to go. he has become the outcast who they treat awful.
im not going to contact ex right now. the party is next saturday. im going to work on some nc right now. i just want the break from him. im going to reinforce not coming to him next friday and address this the day before the party. i dont want to harp on it all week and give him his satisfaction.
justwantpeace
August 29, 2009 - 9:11pm — Barbara (not verified)he will come no matter WHAT you say or "REINFORCE"
you are dealing with a DISORDERED PERSON
1. tell the management you want him and his mother turned away at the door.
if not,
2. CALL THE POLICE!! for gosh sake - get it into your head that will have to take firm and drastic measures. He could CARE LESS what you ask, reinforce or say.
Narcs generally only understand a police or legal order.
Do it! You can NOT 'handle it' the day before or ever.
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thats what i will do then
August 30, 2009 - 5:10am — justwantpeacethats what i will do then because i would really like to work on the no contact this week. i wont bother with making sure he is told not to come. i relly dont want to talk to him
he got the boundaries and
August 28, 2009 - 11:06am — justwantpeacehe got the boundaries and expectations today. i havent heard from him. so anything coming on legal paper may just do the trick for me. i dont know if he is planning his next strategy or what but he is quiet right now.
he hadnt changed his mind about being deadset on us rebuilding. he had clarified and that was for son to see us being civil. ok we say hi, how are you, good to see (not), see you next public function. birthday parties are still out. yesterday he was still trying to worm his way in. i found out he got his mom and sister planning to come to. i do not want to see him.
im just not interested in rebuilding anything of any kind. the more i push him away and out the more he fights to stay in. im really ready for him to be bored with me.
justwantpeace
August 28, 2009 - 3:34pm — Barbara (not verified)as I suspected - legal papers do it
But expect him to contact you and balk or try to re-arrange... do NOT respond - send it to your attorney and say "NO I don't want this - you need to respond to him please"
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feeling very frustrated
August 28, 2009 - 9:39am — justwantpeacefeeling very frustrated today. i feel like people are trying to force me to have some kind of relationship with ex. right i dont want it. i want space to heal. then i need to be able to get to the point i dont react to him and what he does.
im so sick of others not understanding.
right now i feel he is trying to find a way to manipulate me so he can come to sons bday party. he wants his narc mom and sister to come. i dont want to see these people. they are very manipulative.
i feel like my own mother is under his spell.
justwantpeace
August 28, 2009 - 3:38pm — Barbara (not verified)then NC with your mother until she answers the clue phone.
and NC with anyone else who won't get it.
sorry - that's how it has to be.
and if they show at your home or party - make SURE you have a copy of the legal boundaries letter, call the police - YES DO NOT BE "NICE" - calmly go in another room and call them and simply tell them to please come there's an intruder in your home. Meet the police outside with the order and have him AND his mother removed.
If anyone gets mad at you - ask them to leave your home or they will be removed too.
Got it?
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Benefits of Divorce
August 28, 2009 - 12:12pm — FawnOne of the benefits of divorce is that you can make your own plans with your own family! You aren't married anymore, so you don't have to invite your ex, or your in-laws to anything! They can have their own celebration with your son on their time with him.
I know that we all have this Hallmark Movie idea of everyone getting along and being nice. I think that is rare. Remember that you are not dealing with normal people here, but with a narcissist.
What I am afraid of is he
August 28, 2009 - 12:45pm — justwantpeaceWhat I am afraid of is he will just show up. He is not bothering me right now and i feel like he is ignoring me. I just think he will show up because he knows i wont cause a scene. I dont want it to be ruined for son. He was even talking about his sister and mom coming so i just know whats what will happen.
Benefits of Divorce
August 28, 2009 - 12:12pm — FawnOne of the benefits of divorce is that you can make your own plans with your own family! You aren't married anymore, so you don't have to invite your ex, or your in-laws to anything! They can have their own celebration with your son on their time with him.
I know that we all have this Hallmark Movie idea of everyone getting along and being nice. I think that is rare. Remember that you are not dealing with normal people here, but with a narcissist.
i have to add this to. i
August 27, 2009 - 12:34pm — justwantpeacei have to add this to. i found out my mom talked to ex about son and i getting into an argument. i handled it. ex lets me know he talked to son about respecting me as the parent of the house and he didnt need to be doing that. he said he was trying to be polite and help me out.
i did reply to this and said thank you but i need to handle these things on my own and you do not need to help. i then informed my mother to not talk to him anymore about what goes on in my home. its none of his business.
well my therapist was right it was going to get worse before it gets better. does it ever get better.
ex is furious that i dont want him at sons bday party. my mother evn said i should put my feelings aside and be nice because he is sons dad. i said no he is celebrating with his sister and mom this weekend there is no need for him to come to the party.
forgot to add part of his
August 27, 2009 - 12:20pm — justwantpeaceforgot to add part of his message and the all niceness im getting. he wants to call a truce for a couple of days and then start building from there. ok i missed something on that one. i didnt know we were rebuilding. i missed on what we were suppose to be building we are divorced. last time i checked it all had been severed and there was nothing to build. he did clarify that it was so we could get along when we have to be at the same place for son. oh im sorry im suppose to let him come around like nothing happened and still be there at everything even the house, even though we are divorced.
barbara am i right he is talking about rebuilding not for son but to keep me there as a supply when he needs it and also the control thing. he wants to be in control.
this was the other part of why im so afraid of letting him get past my wall and getting sucked back in. thats why i started freaking out again. he was getting to close.
im in big time defense mode. also i did just what i was trying to avoid him for, i let him push me to the point im reacting big time internally.
i really did think that i was getting out of the drama and it just seems to have increased especially after getting asked out on a date.
right now i have so much info in my head i feel like its going to explode. all this stuff has happened over the past couple of days with ex wanting to be at sons bday party im throwing him, getting asked out on a date, and him wanting to call a truce. my head is honestly swimming right now.
my no contact just got shot to pieces.
justwantpeace
August 27, 2009 - 3:21pm — Barbara (not verified)you may have to go NC on your mother for a while if she doesn't learn NOT to talk to him and be FIRM with her.
Go RIGHT BACK to NC with him. Yes ALL HE WANTS is CONTROL! Rebuilding my ***!!! His GF left so now he's bored and wants to 'play' with you. BACK TO NC!
And GET TO YOUR LAWYER for a firm LEGAL DOCUMENT dictating some boundaries and visitation with your son NOW!
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im really venting today. a
August 26, 2009 - 11:17am — justwantpeaceim really venting today. a guy that my ex works with just asked me out. i can say from what ive been thru i would just being going from one bad relationship to another. he asked my ex if he cared. i dont know what was said. but this could be why im getting the attention from ex right now along with other woman not in the pix right now. it would take more of his control away and another man stepping in on his territory. its not about me but the control thing and a possession thing. am i right barbara.
then i couldnt go out with this guy. he has no morals. im not looking to be wife number 6. i have standards now and im more on guard. also i need to heal first before i go into another relationship.
why me? Barbara if this guy pursues it more will ex get a little more controling.
im working to get my boundaries in place with him, i dont want to take big steps back.
is this murphys law? im looking to simplify my life and it seems the more i try the worse it becomes. im actually looking forward to my peace and quiet by myself. im looking forward to just having to take care of me other than son and no controlling husband. im actually looking forward to the things i can do now that i want to do and never got to do.
justwantpeace
August 26, 2009 - 2:11pm — Barbara (not verified)you're right.
on the other hand, exN may have ENCOURAGED him to ask you out so then he can accuse YOU of 'cheating' or being "loose" - Ns love to talk & think backward
it's waaaaay too early for you to date anyone anyway. Just say NO THANK YOU.
And get the lawyer to write up something regarding visitation & custody before this attention-whore N pulls something else.
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Sometimes it just amazes me
August 25, 2009 - 9:55am — justwantpeaceSometimes it just amazes me at the things the n will do. I feel like im getting better but i still have my set backs.
he and son are going to see he sister this weekend with his mom. she is also a n and i believe possibly bipolar.
he is getting to close and i told him to backoff. He aplogizes and says im sorry i didnt mean to do anything wrong.
then he knew about sons bday party and wanted to come. i said you are celebrating with your family and there is no need for you to come. his reply oh just my sister is doing this and im coming there to celebrate with him, mom and i are.
i really wish his girlfriend would take him back so he would have someone to occupy his mind.
i have this wall built up and when he gets to close the warning signals go up.
my therapist said it would get worse before it got better. im not looking to have a relationship with him. he doesnt know how to have a normal relationship with a person. im not looking to go back and be treated like dirt. im not going to allow myself to get sucked back in. im not going back into a relationship of any kind with him where i am doing all the work and my needs are not being met.
so whatever he is looking for he needs to go elsewhere to find it.
my therapist asked me some questions and i didnt know the answers and now i believe i do. she asked me what would i do when he accepts its finally over. right now i will jump for joy. she asked why was i still reacting internally. she said im doing better not reacting outside just still reacting inside. the reason is i dont trust him. also he isnt acting like a normal person who wanted a divorce.
a normal person who wanted to be divorced goes their own way and accepts they arent there all the time for the kids. especially when he gave me fulltime custodial parental rights with him having visitation. a normal person who wants to be divorced only has contact when its necessary about the kids and its only kept to the kids. you dont give someone a hard time if they are going somewhere, or if another man comes into their life. you dont still try to have control over the ex. but then again he isnt normal. i really had to vent and get this out. im ready to explode.
im doing really well at not seeing him. i couldnt tell you the last time i have seen him up close or talked to him face to face. im working at my no contact but how do you keep that in place when they are wanting to show up where you are or chasing you down in the parking lot to talk to son??? this is what i am trying to work out. im very frustrated today with him.
justwantpeace
August 25, 2009 - 3:05pm — Barbara (not verified)GET A LEGAL ORDER DONE BY YOUR LAWYER ASAP!!
Dictate contact - and how far away from you & the home he must stay and strict days and times he can see son.
BOUNDARIES - make them LEGAL
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oh good grief. he is trying
August 24, 2009 - 12:20pm — justwantpeaceoh good grief. he is trying the things that i use to do when i was just trying to get his attention and just wanted the interaction. i hate to admit that.
he called me and then hung up. then sent a text and said sorry i hit the wrong button on my phone.
i really hate to admit that i use to do that just trying to get his attention or have some kind of contact with him.
no contact. apparently it does bother them. i had another of our friends (who works with him) ask me today if i was doing ok. He said is he driving you crazy. i said sure is. he said i hate to tell you its going to get worse before it gets better. he said he is going to try all kinds of things right now. i said great just what i wanted to hear. he was the one who told me today that the other woman broke it off with him because of her job. he said just hang in there. he said he tells ex all the time that he is nuts and tells him he is an idiot. i just said let it go and just say i wish you the best adn really just dont want to hear it anymore. he said he would.
im really frustrated and exhausted today from the saturday and sunday encounters.
well i know why im in the
August 24, 2009 - 9:15am — justwantpeacewell i know why im in the focus again. ive just been told for the second time that the ow broke it off with him. where they work its a fireable offense. her job was in jeopardy and she broke it off to save her job.
thats so funny he had told me he broke it off. im really tempted to ask her to take him back. but that would be cruel.
justwantpeace
August 24, 2009 - 3:16pm — Barbara (not verified)do you have an answering machine? Use it. Screen all calls.
ignore all his childish nonsense. You did those things out of pain - he's doing them because he's pathological.
OW broke it off yet he said HE did? LOL - what a liar... as you can see he's like a 6 year old.
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Just when i think oh im
August 23, 2009 - 2:57pm — justwantpeaceJust when i think oh im doing really good and im actually getting him out of my life. oh no!!!!!!! he and his n mother come back to church. son and i are heavily involved in our church. people know what he and his mother have done. so i thought i will put on my smile today and just stay away from them.
oh no. his mother sits on the row behind me. im sitting with a good friends mom and we are talking. she walks up and speaks to the other lady and just ignores me. she is bumping into my head, pushing me forward to talk to the other woman. im like you have got to be kidding me.
it was so obvious that she was going out of her way to make a point and then came over and said bye to the woman. normally people would have to go up and speak to her. today she was going out of her way talking. im thinking i dont bother her why does she have to bother me. her and her son had quit coming why did they have to come back.
its simple to make my life bad. i really felt the panic start to rise up again. i had to get out of church as soon as it was over. son and i were leaving and ex was chasing us down wanting to talk to son.
are you kidding me? he didnt even call him last week and lied to him on the phone yesterday. son just waved to him.
if this happens again
August 23, 2009 - 5:49pm — Barbara (not verified)Get up and move. Seriously... just say excuse me to the people around you - and get up and move! Or - make sure you sit in the last row so they can't sit behind you. And get friends to sit with you ahead of time.
Then they would have to MOVE to follow you and guess who will look bad? Not YOU!
And if the pastor asks you to sit down just say LOUDLY - "I'm sorry pastor, we are not being allowed to worship in peace" and then leave. Seriously LEAVE. Don't be a doormat and sit back down - LEAVE. It will shock the hell out of exNH and his Nmother and embarrass the crap out of them - while you walk out with your head held high. exNH thinks you are too much of a wimp to do anything so he has free reign to abuse you. Time to ROCK HIS WORLD... in public if necessary.
Idiots. They only did that to make a "CONTROL" point since the marriage is final. So obvious and nasty. I'd bet your son didn't think much of their behavior either.
Per usual, another Narc shooting off both feet at the knees with their unconscionable behavior.
Make sure any pick ups and drops offs are IN WRITING and DONE AT THE POLICE STATION from now on. Seriously. And get a custody & visitation order and rules in place, in writing, by a lawyer ASAP!
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i didnt know what to do at
August 23, 2009 - 9:48pm — justwantpeacei didnt know what to do at the time because of the panic feeling so i just got son and left as soon as it was over. i told son why. he did say if it were me i would hve said something.
son is over it. he said
August 23, 2009 - 9:45pm — justwantpeaceson is over it. he said today he cant wait to turn 16 and get a job so he can say sorry i cant come see you. i felt sorry for him. lawyer and therapist are on the list for tomorrow to get all this documented and started.
im sick of it. i feel that weight coming back onto my shoulders.
i really see son telling him before college that he is done with them.
oh ex is doing what he did to me to son. he wants to go to another city to visit his sister for his bday. son said i dont want to go. he said but if you dont go then i dont get to go and started the guilt trip on son. he finally caved and said ok. when he told me that i thought i was going to blow up. i did sent ex a message and said son didnt want to go and he promised not to force him to do something he didnt want to. i dont know if that was the right thing to do but that infuriated me.
i did sit son down and explained that is his dad trying to guilt him and if he didnt want to go then he needs to be honest and tell his dad why and i would back him. i said if he is honest then i can back him better. son said ok and would tell him
your son
August 23, 2009 - 10:01pm — quietude (not verified)So your son is saying he's done with trying to deal with this type of behavior from your husband? I say, GO SON! I know it's sad that his father is this way, but he is one empowered kid! Good for you to support what he wants to do, in spite of the intimidation from the other side.
I wish I had that gumption as a kid to stand up to my narc mother. My father was always instilling in us that we should do what mom wants and keep her happy. This only leads to more pain and resentment, not feeling like you can trust either parent. This has followed me all my life, and I'm sure lead me into the path of my ex-narcissist fiance.
Kudos to you for being a champion for your kids!
justwantpeace
August 24, 2009 - 12:14am — Barbara (not verified)sometimes its good to think that once something like this happens... you have a plan on how to deal with it next time.
And with Narcs who are manipulative controlling dirtbags (their same NarcyMoms) there's ALWAYS a next time.
Consider it lesson learned and just leave as soon as they sit down. No discussion, no talk, just up and out.
I wish I'd known my late Nmother was an N. As I got older and more independent her behavior towards me got worse. Driving 3 hours with my brother in tow - to break the windows of the apartment where I was living and denying it; trying to kill me with kitchen knife; waking me up at all hours to scream at me when I visited; saying the most outrageous things in public - which I would immediately shut her down and embarrass the crap out of her. I had to - and I went No Contact On her at least 3 times w/out knowing what narcissism was just for my sanity... or what was left of it. If I'd known - I would have cut her off permanently. I still wish my Dad had stood up to her - but he didn't... he just figured he'd "go along to get along & not make waves." It's messed up so much of my life and I can't encourage you enough to be tough with getting maybe even SUPERVISED visitation. And definitely drop off/ pick up AT THE POLICE STATION - never ever at your home. EVER. He is to stay AWAY from the home!
Son's really getting a huge clue as to what his dad is like. So tomorrow you take the tough stance with lawyer, new therapist etc. and get razor sharp BOUNDARIES - in writing.
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Thanks barbara and
August 24, 2009 - 7:50am — justwantpeaceThanks barbara and quitetude.
today i am back to feeling drained and exhausted like i just got over the flu.
omg barbara thats awful. i dont know the extent of her behavior while they were growing up, i do know it was bad. bad enough they wont talk about it. ex said they always had to walk on eggshells. she would leave and be gone for periods at a time. sometimes i wonder if she is bipolar to. his dad was the same as yours. he always kept quiet and never argued with her. he just let her do what she wanted. for a long time he would cut off contact with her and not call her. when he did call, he would have to ask me her number, he couldnt remember it. so he was always the bad child. now the bad child is his brother.
his brother stayed neutral and took up for his wife. she and i are very close. they stayed netural because of my son. he is the only grandchild. they wanted to be a part of his life. i remember once his mom sitting and complaining about this son. he hadnt done the first thing to her. he was the one to always do stuff for her and was there when she needed him. she sat and said he didnt care for her and just really downed him. this was during the last trip to the mental facility. i sat there stunned and i know my jaw had to drop. she saw the look on my face and shut up.
she also plays her kids off against each other. which that i think is sad. i refuse to allow her to do my son this way.
i got a reply from my message and he is going to talk to son about the trip this weekend. we will see. i just told son to be honest with his dad if he didnt want to go. i told him i would back him. ex said he knows there are alot of fences that have to be mended and then turned around and told the netural brother we were fighting over this weekend. that got back to me. i want to say what a joke you are. he has no intentions of mending fences. he is trying to turn them on me no matter what this would do to son.
all i know is i am going to do what it takes to get him out of my life and not let him do to son what he did to me.
justwantpeace
August 22, 2009 - 6:18pm — Barbara (not verified)thought so.
they are who they are with EVERYONE eventually.
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I feel like this huge weight
August 22, 2009 - 6:28pm — justwantpeaceI feel like this huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders. i cant explain it.
i am very worried of what this will do to my son. i have told him to be honest. i told him that i will back him if he doesnt want to go see his dad. that is one thing i will do, fight for my child. it may bring alot back up for me but i refuse to let my child be a victim of this man.
he has already had enough victims in me, son, family, and even the other woman. i refuse to let this happen to my child. he wants son to live with him. not in my life time and son refuses to.
Justwantpeace
August 22, 2009 - 6:44pm — ElenaJustwantpeace,
I am so glad that you now feel the relief of being free from a relationship with a narcissist. I remember when I felt this relief; life is too short to spend it with someone who is stealing our peace and health. As you are doing already, support your son with all that you have; I like your resolve of not allowing your child to be a victim of this man!
Elena
justwantpeace
August 22, 2009 - 6:35pm — Barbara (not verified)http://allabouthim.com/co-parenting-with-a-narcissist/
is your son in counseling?
have you seen an attorney about custody?
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my therapist and i are
August 22, 2009 - 6:40pm — justwantpeacemy therapist and i are looking at a new counselor for him. one who is younger and will connect more wth him and knows more of what is going on. sons current therapist is older. he wanted ex and i to do therapy together because he felt we still loved each other we just didnt like each other. she is currently talking to a new therapist about seeing son.
new counselor
August 22, 2009 - 6:54pm — Barbara (not verified)the therapist sounds like they are in denial about personality disorders. Hope you get a new one soon.
Great book: WHEN DAD HURTS MOM by Lundy Bancroft
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