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Our court date approaches in 9 days. Yeah. Ive been working on no contact and leaving him alone. I agreed to the visitation for him and son. I agreed to get son to the 3rd party drop off and not stay and pick him up after stbx leaves. He gets one day a week to spend 4 hours with son. No problem. Son doesnt mind and knows he can call his dad and go see him if he wants to. he hasnt asked for the extra time. I dont know if its because he doesnt want to or he thinks it will hurt me. I do know that he doesnt want to go where his dad lives. He lives with his mom. Son comes home and says i hate going there and she is crazy.
Stbx has burned my phone up today. i had over 30 text messages and then he started calling. at first i was just deleting them and not answering and finally i had enough. i picked up and said quit it. i said i dont know why you are doing this. i said when son called you sunday night, instead of calling him you call me. Why? son left you a message you should have called him. I said you are getting your one day a week and your every other weekend. I said you chose this and its what you agreed to so quit complaining and get over it and grow up. I said this is divorce and you chose this. i said so leave me alone and stop.
He starts in the one day you want to give me is to much time in between the next visit and you are looking for anyway to punish me or hurt me. i said stop its not about you or your needs anymore. its about me and what i need. i said i wanted a little extra space to not have to deal with you because of things like this. i said its not even about son. i said son knows to call you if he wants to or to even see you. you can call him and i havent told you no. then he started in that im mean and selfious and its all about me.
i fell right in like an idiot. i called him a very ugly name. i said our divorce is fixing to be signed by a judge our son is hurt by that. i said but you dont care because you are selfious and self centered. then we got off on us. i said you dont care about me and never have and you dont know how to. he said you dont know me or anything about me. i said you are right i dont know you anymore or what i thought. i let him make me cry. now im mad at myself and frustrated. he went on about our history that he rewrote. i said its so funny i remember all that so differently. but you know what i just dont care anymore. im done. i told him i didnt want to see him again or hear from him. i said leave me alone.
he said he was hurting to. he caused all this and thats not my problem anymore. today has just really sucked. i thought he was doing the punishing me by ignoring me and not having contact. i guess my punishment is over. i blew up and made a huge mistake. i said dont you get it i want out of sight out of mind that helps me more than anything where you are concerned. now i just want to kick myself and today has really been bad. i want to just go home and pull the covers over my head and forget the outside world exist.
justwantpeace - part of why NC is so vital
August 12, 2009 - 4:23pm — Barbara (not verified)you are recovering from being sick!
think about what interacting with him did to your hormones! like serotonin, adrenaline, etc.
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It sure feels like being
August 13, 2009 - 7:23am — justwantpeaceIt sure feels like being sick. I was also told that if I had been half the wife I needed to be that we wouldnt be in this mess. I think that was what helped set me off to. Then he wants me to forgive the other woman. huh?? So it makes me think she is in the background somewhere. If he thinks he can bring her into mine and sons life, I hate to tell him it wont work. Out of sight, out of mind. That is what I want.
hell no
August 13, 2009 - 3:16pm — Barbara (not verified)STOP LISTENING TO WHAT THEY SAY!!! It's ALWAYS a lie.
(we talked about this a bit on last night's BlogTalkRadio show!)
Bring the other woman into your son's life? HELL NO!! Do you have a written, legal custody arrangement? if not - see your lawyer and GET ONE!!
Ignore his texts & calls. Let him Talk to your lawyer. Any text he sends ANY one - send back: Please call (lawyer's name & number) Even if it's "you're a bitch"
If his lips are moving HE'S LYING!!! Give NO WEIGHT TO anything they say!!!
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well the good thing about
August 13, 2009 - 3:29pm — justwantpeacewell the good thing about the other woman is our preacher would be all over that, him bringing his sin into church. I have gone to our pastor and his wife and they know what is going on. We had even tried some counseling with the pastor and it didnt work. then there are several family and friends who told him that in no shape form or fashion would she be allowed.
i have to ask this and was wondering. when i ended all the conversation after i blew up. i just couldnt take it anymore. he tried the wwjd. he said where is that good christian girl everybody is seeing. also the if i had been half the wife stuff, and i never cared for him, probably wished he would die, or suceded in killing himself(tried the suicide ploy, assessed told not suicidal)etc etc etc. i ended it with wwjd to, He would say let no man tear apart what my Father put together, the harlot watch out for her ways and go and sin no more. He did get mad and told me not to call him or text him unless it was about son. It did drain me and i felt horrible the next day. I wasnt laughing at the time and didnt think any of it was funny. But today after I let it all soak in and got over being mad, Im rolling. That was hilarious how mad he got. He hasnt called me either since then.
Is it possible to turn the tables on them or is that more of just a waiting game and then will try to get his fill. My therapist has said when i become whole she is going to work with me on ways to handle him to where Im not reacting to him. I feel really good this afternoon. im not willing to put this to the test either by contacting him. plus i havent become whole enough and learned enough to be able to deal with him. i was just wondering.
don't just sit around and wait
August 13, 2009 - 3:31pm — Barbara (not verified)NO CONTACT (business only) is the best way to turn the tables. When you do not react to them at all (I act like a robot with exNH it makes them crazy)
You need to be out of the marriage for over a year - and PLEASE get your lawyer involved... don't count on your preacher!!! You MUST be more proactive with blocking him & his OW out of your son's life. GET A CUSTODY ORDER IN PLACE NOW!!!! He expects you to wimp out and do nothing. Don't let him be right.
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ok so then it was part of
August 13, 2009 - 3:37pm — justwantpeaceok so then it was part of the game to just keep it going. darn that spoiled my fun thinking he might have actually got mad.
its in our papers about the other woman and also that he cant parent son around any woman who is a non family member. also son has expressed that if he tries to take him around the other woman that he will not come for his visitation and i told him i would back him against stbx. also if he tries to do anything that i think is harmful or talk to son without me or sons therapist that i will take him back in front of a judge and i mean that. my therapist recommended that. she said i have to be willing to back it up. if i have to then i will use his therapy records. he has been in a mental facility to for a short stay, it was part of the suicide ploy but was really an attention seeking trip.
excellent
August 13, 2009 - 3:38pm — Barbara (not verified)Good Girl! and stick to your guns
AND NO CONTACT UNLESS IT'S PICK UP & DROP OFF OF SON.
ZERO CONTACT!!!!!!!!
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also (correct me if im
August 13, 2009 - 3:47pm — justwantpeacealso (correct me if im wrong) he is trying to "look good" to others and make me look bad. I dont think he will bring her around right now anyway. He knows if he did right now that people will look at him and turn on him saying he is that bad. If the other woman is still in the pix then he hides her well. let me just say. son says when he is with him that he never gets any phone calls or text messages and he never mentions her. he is still acknowledging my family on all holidays. he has never done that before.
so i really believe right now he is trying to make himself look good and she wouldnt help his image. i think if she is in the pix that its just to help fill whatever it is he needs and he has no intentions of committing to her. because he has cheated on her to. i caught him on that one with a woman down the street from where he lives. what a role model for my son.
he has been really good at manipulating her to, like he has me. she is a woman who has never been married, she doesnt have kids, she is 40, and the longest relationship she ever had was 7 months. so he has basically preyed on her to. its sad really but then again i feel she is getting what she deserves by getting involved with a married man when she did.
of course - its all about
August 13, 2009 - 3:48pm — Barbara (not verified)of course - its all about HIS IMAGE.
don't be too hard on those of us (like me) who get involved with married men - you'd be surprised at how they lure, hypnotize and mind control you. God only knows what he convinced her of!
He picked her because she's vulnerable. Feel sorry for her... she's in for a nasty surprise.
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I have to say i usually dont
August 13, 2009 - 3:53pm — justwantpeaceI have to say i usually dont go down hard on women who get involved with married men. i have on her because of the run ins i have had with her and the headaches she caused me. im a little a harder on her because of me being personally involved. Plus she adopted my look and has the same mannerisms i do. its just to weird. sorry barbara i didnt mean that towards all women. im just angry at her to.
i really need to learn to channel that anger somewhere else. its like a habit now, for a long time it was just easy to be mad at her and believing she caused this.
contagious
August 13, 2009 - 3:53pm — Barbara (not verified)don't forget - she's reacting to you because of what HE tells her.
Remember Eve & the serpent?
a Narc's evil can be very contagious.
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This is why no contact is
August 11, 2009 - 5:51pm — CarolynThis is why no contact is better because you are speaking a totally different emotional language than he is but as you are using a common intellectual language -English it is very confusing and frustrating for you to be so misunderstood. Message sent with these men is not message received. they address all issues filtered through their crazy, emotional level-which is very low IQ. You are physically talking to an adult about adult issues involving a minor child and he is responding with some ranting and raving about how you abondoned little old 5 year old him, how could you abandon him, and then you are abusing him to boot. So you are totally exhausted after trying to figure out what is happening.
I just read the 7 steps for a healthy break-up developed by Johns Hopkins Hospital in affiliation with the University of chicago after studying 8,000 participants. ending a bad relationship is healthy for you. If you keep a bad relationship going it can cause heart problems, trigger diabetes, and in the event of a split if you think about it too much, have too much contact- years later, even though you re-marry, it can cause these problems. Stress Kills and these men are a very stress producing group. the 7 steps are:
1. Focus on financial issues, get a good lawyer who makes your financial well being a priority. Get health insurance, get your work priorites and career goals and job training as a divorce issue. Plan for the single life, develop a budget. Try and diminish financial worries as these really trigger stress.
2. get a regular health check-up. dirvorce can trigger hight blood pressure, high blood sugar, anxiety, deporession, and a slump in immune system function. make sure you are following a healthy diet no binge drinking or eating. If blood pressure goes up try flax seed freshly ground in liquid every morning, 2 tblsps, and buy hand grips at a sports store. Squeeze the grips a few times alternating hands and this will bring down blood pressure.
3.Don't make too many changes too fast.
4. Say no to diet binges.
5. take the stairs, walk, join a gym. Excercise is a great stress buster, and helps with weight management.
6. Join a club, go to church, seek counseling. Social contacts are a major buffer agains stress and the physical problems it triggers.
7. Put yourself first-positively. Swim, work-out, do what makes you feel better and avoid quick fixes like eating high calorie, comfort food, drugs, drinking, and contact with your about to be ex.
you got it justwantpeace
August 11, 2009 - 3:17pm — Barbara (not verified)exactly!
CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL.
Finish that divorce and put razor-sharp boundaries about how he can contact you in the decree. No games.
and start hanging up on him and not answering him - LET HIM TALK TO YOUR ATTORNEY. And send your attorney any threatening, begging, etc emails or text messages you get from him. Send them ALL!!!
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he is making this all about
August 11, 2009 - 2:19pm — justwantpeacehe is making this all about son now. son is the only hold he has left. i want to ask why now? you didnt make it about son a year ago, you were to busy stuck up under your girlfriend. do you think she is out of the pix now and thats why im becoming the focus again? im tempted to call her and ask her to go back to him.
justwantpeace
August 11, 2009 - 2:49pm — Barbara (not verified)the son/ you is becoming the focus because HE LOST CONTROL and he HATES LOSING CONTROL.
girlfriend or not - he HATES LOSING CONTROL. Its ALLLLL about CONTROL!
too bad for him.
if he keeps it up make ALL communication GO THROUGH YOUR LAWYER.
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thats where im confused. he
August 11, 2009 - 2:59pm — justwantpeacethats where im confused. he doesnt want to stop the divorce. i dont know if thats because he knows that i want it over and he cant look like the wimp or whatever or it has to be my idea to stop the divorce. By me groveling to him to stop it, that i cant live without him.
ok barbara i answered my own question. im suppose to be groveling to him that i cant live without him and please dont go thru with the divorce, i will do whatever you want. i got it.
justwantpeace
August 11, 2009 - 8:13pm — grossotWe are in the same boat. I think you are right. He wants you to grovel. But just remember anything is food for a narc- even slander and yelling. He would be bewildered and confused if you said nothing. But don't beat yourself up. Its easy to get off course because they work so hard to make us look bad. Its hard not to defend ourselves. I'm sorry you're having a bad day. Stay in touch. You can always vent on here. Tell us what you would have liked to have said. I know its not the same but it will be so sweet to hear him stammering and searching for words once he sees your pattern of nc. You can do it. We are all behind you!
Be kinder than necessary to everyone you meet; for everyone is fighting some kind of battle - anonymous- :o)
nolongercontrolled
thanks everyone
August 12, 2009 - 9:13am — justwantpeaceIt felt great to vent. I did blow up finally last night. He kept on about the time with son. I had enough. He also had started in on how he remembered our history different than i did. That was really it for me. i said its funny I remember all that differently. I told him to leave me alone. I said dont text me, dont call me, dont come near me unless you have son and its an emergency. I had just had enough. I couldnt take it.
Today I feel drained and exhausted and I just feel really bad. For a long time I had to fight the urge to keep from going back and calling him or even texting him. I love this man or loved this man, I dont even know what I feel anymore for him, so much that I would call his voicemail just to hear his voice. I missed him that bad.
Now its like the sight of him infuriates me. He had the nerve to say he wanted son to live with him and would do everything if I agreed to the same deal he was getting. I asked son if he wanted to do this. Son said no, he wanted things left like they were. I told stbx no and I would not give up my son. I said things will stay as they are.
I sat and thought about all the times over the past 2 years that when I would start to stand up for myself and take control of my life, that was when I could see a certain side of him come out. It was very ugly, mean, trying to undermine everything i did to even trying to make me look bad. I think he was surprised when people didnt turn on me that he thought would. He even had the nerve to say to me that people think he is the cause of all the pain that is going on. I have to admit i was floored that he said that to me. Yesterday just did something to me and I cant explain it. I dont hate him. I dont wish anything bad on him. The only thing I just want to completely wipe him from my life.
The sad thing is I have to let son get to that point he has had enough. stbx is doing son the same way he has done me. My therapist said son is already detaching from his grandmother. He comes home and says she is crazy and he hates staying at her house. He use to never be like that towards her or stbx's sister and her husband. My son never talks about them anymore or if he does its not much. My therapist believes that unless stbx doesnt get real help that eventually by early college age that son is going to look at his dad and say i have had enough, dont call me, dont come near me, and stay away from me. she said thats about the age kids can be a little more critical of their parents.
She said with stbx its like a whirlwind everywhere he goes and when I get sucked up in it, all this havic happens. she said its like that with everybody. He causes havoc everywhere he goes.
Today Im hurting and its physical to. This does help me be more determined to go no contact because I hate the way I feel after I have to deal with him. He hasnt contacted me today. So Im keeping my fingers crossed.
Oh and then he starts in on
August 12, 2009 - 9:29am — justwantpeaceOh and then he starts in on how i probably just want him to die and maybe i will get lucky. I did say thats between you and God. I said I dont want anyone to die. Im sick of that. Then he started in on how he will always care for me because im sons mom. I just said ok.
justwantpeace
August 12, 2009 - 2:46pm — Barbara (not verified)these conversations with him - NEED TO TAKE PLACE ONLY IN A LAWYER's OFFICE.
ONLY!!! No CONTACT - tell him you'll make an appt to discuss custody at the lawyers office. Have your attorney write him a letter or you send him a registered/ return receipt letter that he is NOT to come to your home, call, text or email unless he has son and it's emergency. ALL discussions regarding custody will be done at the lawyer's office and he should JUST let you know what day/ time would be convenient for him. (cc your lawyer if you do this yourself)
Once that letter is sent you can ignore his emails, ERASE all calls w/out listening, block texts... etc. BUSINESS ONLY. And you will call the police if he violates.
http://www.lisaescott.com/2009/08/03/no-contact-rules-without-children
http://www.lisaescott.com/2009/07/06/co-parenting-narcissist
they all revise history in their favor. This is about CONTROL for him. CONTROL CONTROL.
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/23/women-separated-abusive-partn...
It's takes a while for the kids to see but they do see. The N will do it ALL BY HIMSELF.
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Thanks Barbara Yesterday was
August 12, 2009 - 3:25pm — justwantpeaceThanks Barbara
Yesterday was really bad for me with him. Today has been going better. I havent heard from him so i figure he got his supply for now. I feel so drained and worn down physically and emotionally that I feel like Im trying to recover from being sick. I have actual physical pain and havent had that in awhile.