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Hi out there.Would like your take on my saga with a naraccistic man.Went with this man off and on for 15 years, he was the one would would discard me like a dirty dish towel and then bring me back whenever he felt horney or maybe lonely. so then I would go back. I lived with him for nearly one year and had to ask him to leave even though I loved him dearly because of the abuse,verbal,emotional,psychologically, never physical, that I would never have tolerated.Anyway just last fall when we were together we talked about selling my condo, his trailer was sold ,and he would stay with me and we would move to Montana together.Turns out he calls me the night before to say he is going to Montana to check it out himself, never asking me to come along or give me notice so I could get off work and come with him!He did the same thing about another move in Colorado and even though I
took a day off from work, went out by himself! I found out he is staying another year in Montana rather than come back here and in a moment of weakness I called his number,I had not called for 5 months, He had changed it and of course I was not notified.To me it was like he was trying to punish me. He told me before he left he was running away and I said you cannot run away from yourself.I was very upset and distraught as I felt like my last link to him was gone. I am pulling myself together,it is so like an addiction, now I know what any addict must go through, withdrawals and having to stay strong! I will not let this nutcase ruin my life, I am going to wonderful therapy to find out my issues as to why I kept taking him back. I am dating again and will be on the lookout for any signs of abuse and learn to appreciate myself more.Thanks for taking the time to read this,would like comments.PS. Years ago his own brother apologize on behalf of their family for how this man treated me and told me he tried to get him into an institution but he refused to go!
libbisue
July 11, 2009 - 3:31pm — Barbara (not verified)for gosh sake NO CONTACT.
He's not the only man in the world.
Get free of this user & loser. He sounds narcissistic and I would bet he's got other women on the go in these places and then leaves when he wants to dump them.
He's using you for sex. You are worth more than that!!!
BLOCK his emails & IMs
Mark any mail, packages, flowers... DELIVERY REFUSED and RETURN TO SENDER - WITHOUT OPENING THEM!!!
DELETE ANY voice mails WITHOUT LISTENING!!
DELETE TEXTS
Change your cell and landline numbers if you need to!!
For goodness sake get rid of this LEECH!!
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hi barbara
July 11, 2009 - 4:52pm — onwithmylifeI know you are right and he changed his cell phone number without telling me so i am done .I just keep hoping he gets a eiphany someday, but I won't be around.He has made no contact with me, maybe a hangup call or twobut he even refused a letter I sent telling him to come get his stuff, so I am dumping it!
libbisue
July 11, 2009 - 7:27pm — Barbara (not verified)He will NEVER have an epiphany though you can pray for him - FROM A DISTANCE.
And NO CONTACT - don't let him be the only one who changes their numbers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Libbisue I hope you are
July 11, 2009 - 2:56pm — grossotLibbisue
I hope you are finding some balance in your life now. N's take everything and never think a thing about it.
So glad you told him he can't run away from himself. They all know there is something wrong with them but they don't care to find out what. He naver wanted to be there for you. Thank God he's gone.
James
I read your link of journal entries (I think that's you). Anyway thank you. It made me look back in my journal entries and what I saw shocked me. It really was all about him. He didn't even want to be around for our daughter but he sure wanted the credit for being a dad. Worst of all I didn't even know I was being abused.
Once I told him you've controlled me for 12 yrs! He said and I quote cause how could I forget something like this: "well if you let me control you then I'm sorry for you!"
Yea I can spell projection;
N-A-R-C-I-S-I-S-M!
Be kinder than necessary to everyone you meet; for everyone is fighting some kind of battle - anonymous- :o)
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WTF! They steal our plans too???
July 11, 2009 - 2:07pm — Jameslibbisue
I had this happen with me as well. I remember telling my ex s/p that I wanted to move out of the state of Illinois having lived here all my life (other then my active service time in the army) and wanted to see more of this beautiful country. Like many others here I could get a yes then no then yes etc. from her. Two important factors about this disorder I have learned is how they 1) can’t commit to any long goals and 2) can’t plan any long term goals.
Anyway, in the end of the beginning (when I told her she had to leave because she told me how she met someone else and would live at her parents home. The latter turn out to be a lie) Well, again two things happened:
1) Now I was talking about leaving the state but she changed the subject (something she was very good at) and then stated how she wanted to move closer to her family in Dupage county, we lived in Kane county closer to my family. Now I knew even then that moving closer to her family would allow her more leverage over my children and I. Plus with the fact that our children bonded with my family but never did so with hers so my answer to that demand was NO WAY!
Another thing (boy did I miss this red flag) is how she once told me “why would I move to another state with you when you abuse me so much in this state, allowing you to abuse me more in another state!“. I stood there looking at her (she refused to look at me when she stated that with my mouth open thinking WTF is she talking about??? Okay now I understand that statement today and can anyone spell P-R-O-J-E-C-T-I-O-N!
And then 2) She ended up leaving the state of Illinois and her children. Lying about living with her parent but instead she moved in with her new “soulmate†in Wisconsin leaving the state of Illinois. Oh another interesting fact that came out later is the new “soulmate†was still married and didn’t file for divorce until July of 2006. Guess he waited until he got a new source of supply as well.
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July 11, 2009 - 2:19pm — onwithmylifehi James, It is amazing how these people live in their own world and always about them and more them!!Yours was an interesting story. I always hope to God these people get some type of major epiphany, like a boulder on the head ,but I am not waiting around!!!I never realized there are so many "walking mentally ill" around us....
True
July 11, 2009 - 8:04pm — JamesIt really does mess with the mind and more so with our hearts. Guess all we can do is heal learn and find some type of personal closure knowing full well this again is something they will never give us.
Captive Hearts Captive Minds
July 11, 2009 - 10:49pm — Barbara (not verified)The Master Manipulator
Let us look for a moment at how some of this manifests in the cult leader. Cult leaders have an outstanding ability to charm and win over followers. They beguile and seduce. They enter a room and garner all the attention. They command the utmost respect and obedience. These are "individuals whose narcissism is so extreme and grandiose that they exist in a kind of splendid isolation in which the creation of the grandiose self takes precedence over legal, moral or interpersonal commitments."(l8)
Paranoia may be evident in simple or elaborate delusions of persecution. Highly suspicious, they may feel conspired against, spied upon or cheated, or maligned by a person, group, or governmental agency. Any real or suspected unfavorable reaction may be interpreted as a deliberate attack upon them or the group. (Considering the criminal nature of some groups and the antisocial behavior of others, some of these fears may have more of a basis in reality than delusion!)
Harder to evaluate, of course, is whether these leaders' belief in their magical powers, omnipotence, and connection to God (or whatever higher power or belief system they are espousing) is delusional or simply part of the con. Megalomania--the belief that one is able or entitled to rule the world--is equally hard to evaluate without psychological testing of the individual, although numerous cult leaders state quite readily that their goal is to rule the world. In any case, beneath the surface gloss of intelligence, charm, and professed humility seethes an inner world of rage, depression, and fear.
Two writers on the subject used the label "Trust Bandit" to describe the psychopathic personality.(l9) Trust Bandit is indeed an apt description of this thief of our hearts, souls, minds, bodies, and pocketbooks. Since a significant percentage of current and former cult members have been in more than one cultic group or relationship, learning to recognize the personality style of the Trust Bandit can be a useful antidote to further abuse.
The Profile of a Psychopath
In reading the profile, bear in mind the three characteristics that Robert Lifton sees as common to a cultic situation:
1. A charismatic leader who...increasingly becomes the object of worship
2. A series of processes that can be associated with "coercive persuasion" or "thought reform"
3. The tendency toward manipulation from above... with exploitation -- economic, sexual, or other -- of often genuine seekers who bring idealism from below(20)
Based on the psychopathy checklists of Harvey Cleckley and Robert Hare, we now explore certain traits that are particularly pertinent to cult leaders. The 15 characteristics outlined below list features commonly found in those who become perpetrators of psychological and physical abuse. In the discussion we use the nomenclature "psychopath" and "cult leader" interchangeably. To illustrate these points, a case study of Branch Davidian cult leader David Koresh follows this section.
We are not suggesting that all cult leaders are psychopaths but rather that they may exhibit many of the behavioral characteristics of one. We are also not proposing that you use this checklist to make a diagnosis, which is something only a trained professional can do. We present the checklist as a tool to help you label and demystify traits you may have noticed in your leader.(or abuser)
Characteristics of a Cult Leader
People coming out of a cultic group or relationship often struggle with the question, "Why would anyone (my leader, my lover, my teacher) do this to me?" When the deception and exploitation become clear, the enormous unfairness of the victimization and abuse can be very difficult to accept. Those who have been part of such a nightmare often have difficulty placing the blame where it belongs--on the leader.
A cult cannot be truly explored or understood without understanding its leader. A cult's formation, proselytizing methods, and means of control "are determined by certain salient personality characteristics of [the] cult leader....Such individuals are authoritarian personalities who attempt to compensate for their deep, intense feelings of inferiority, insecurity, and hostility by forming cultic groups primarily to attract those whom they can psychologically coerce into and keep in a passive-submissive state, and secondarily to use them to increase their income."(l)
In examining the motives and activities of these self-proclaimed leaders, it becomes painfully obvious that cult life is rarely pleasant for the disciple and breeds abuses of all sorts. As a defense against the high level of anxiety that accompanies being so acutely powerless, people in cults often assume a stance of self-blame. This is reinforced by the group's ma- manipulative messages that the followers are never good enough and are to blame for everything that goes wrong.
Demystifying the guru's power is an important part of the psyche- educational process needed to fully recover.(2) It is critical to truly gaining freedom and independence from the leader's control. The process starts with some basic questions: Who was this person who encouraged you to view him as God, all-knowing, or all-powerful? What did he get out of this masquerade? What was the real purpose of the group (or relationship)?
In cults and abusive relationships, those in a subordinate position usually come to accept the abuse as their fault, believing that they deserve the foul treatment or that it is for their own good. They sometimes persist in believing that they are bad rather than considering that the person upon whom they are so dependent is cruel, untrustworthy, and unreliable. It is simply too frightening for them to do that: it threatens the balance of power and means risking total rejection, loss, and perhaps even death of self or loved ones.
This explains why an abused cult follower may become disenchanted with the relationship or the group yet continue to believe in the teachings, goodness, and power of the leader.
Even after leaving the group or relationship, many former devotees carry a burden of guilt and shame while they continue to regard their former leader as paternal, all-good, and godlike. This is quite common in those who "walk away" from their groups, especially if they never seek the benefits of an exit counseling or therapy to deal with cult-related issues. This same phenomenon is found in battered women and in children who are abused by their parents or other adults they admire.
To heal from a traumatic experience of this type, it is important to understand who and what the perpetrator is. As long as there are illusions about the leader's motivation, powers, and abilities, those who have been in his grip deprive themselves of an important opportunity for growth: the chance to empower themselves, to become free of the tyranny of dependency on others for their well-being, spiritual growth, and happiness.
The Authoritarian Power Dynamic
The purpose of a cult (whether group or one-on-one) is to serve the emotional, financial, sexual, and power needs of the leader. The single most important word here is power. The dynamic around which cults are formed is similar to that of other power relationships and is essentially ultra- authoritarian, based on a power imbalance. The cult leader by definition must have an authoritarian personality in order to fulfill his half of the power dynamic.
Traditional elements of authoritarian personalities include the following:
* the tendency to hierarchy
* the drive for power (and wealth)
* hostility, hatred, prejudice
* superficial judgments of people and events
* a one-sided scale of values favoring the one in power
* interpreting kindness as weakness
* the tendency to use people and see others as inferior
* a sadistic-masochistic tendency
* incapability of being ultimately satisfied
* paranoia(3)
In a study of twentieth-century dictators, one researcher wrote: 'Since compliance depends on whether the leader is perceived as being both powerful and knowing, the ever-watchful and all-powerful leader and his invisible but observant and powerful instruments, such as secret police) can be invoked in the same way as an unobservable but omniscient God....Similarly, the pomp and ceremony surrounding such an individual make him more admirable and less like the common herd, increasing both his self-confidence and the confidence of his subjects. The phenomenon is found not only with individual leaders, but with entire movements"(4)
We will see, however, that an authoritarian personality is just one aspect of the nature of a cult leader.
Who Becomes a Cult Leader?
Frequently at gatherings of former cult members a lively exchange takes place in which those present compare their respective groups and leaders. As people begin to describe their special, enlightened, and unique "guru"--be he a pastor, therapist, political leader, teacher, lover, or swami--they are quickly surprised to find that their once-revered leaders are really quite similar in temperament and personality. It often seems as if these leaders come from a common mold, sometimes jokingly called the "Cookie-cutter Messiah School."
These similarities between cult leaders of all stripes are in fact character disorders commonly identified with the psychopathic personality. They have been studied by psychiatrists, medical doctors, clinical psychologists, and others for more than half a century. In this chapter we review some of this research and conclude with a psychopathological profile of traits commonly found in abusive leaders.
Cultic groups usually originate with a living leader who is believed to be "god" or godlike by a cadre of dedicated believers. Along with a dramatic and convincing talent for self-expression, these leaders have an intuitive ability to sense their followers' needs and draw them closer with promises of fulfillment.
Gradually, the leader inculcates the group with his own private ideology (or craziness!), then creates conditions so that his victims cannot or dare not test his claims. How can you prove someone is not the Messiah? That the world won't end tomorrow? That humans are not possessed by aliens from another world or dimension? Through psychological manipulation and control, cult leaders trick their followers into believing in something, then prevent them from testing and disproving that mythology or belief system.
The Role of Charisma
In general, charismatic personalities are known for their inescapable magnetism, their winning style, the self-assurance with which they promote something--a cause, a belief, a product. A charismatic person who offers hope of new beginnings often attracts attention and a following. Over the years we have witnessed this in the likes of Dale Carnegie, Werner Erhard (founder of EST, now The Forum), John Hanley (founder of Lifespring), Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Shirley MacLaine, John Bradshaw, Marianne Williamson, Ramtha channeler J.Z. Knight, and a rash of Amway "executives," weight-loss program promoters and body-building gurus.
One dictionary definition of charisma is "a personal magic of leadership arousing special popular loyalty or enthusiasm for a public figure (as a political leader or military commander); a special magnetic charm or appeal."(5) Charisma was studied in depth by the German sociologist Max Weber, who defined it as "an exceptional quality in an individual who, through appearing to possess supernatural, providential, or extraordinary powers, succeeds in gathering disciples around him."(6)
Weber's charismatic leader was "a sorcerer with an innovative aura and a personal magnetic gift, [who] promoted a specific doctrine.... [and was] concerned with himself rather than involved with others....[He] held an exceptional type of power: it set aside the usages of normal political life and assumed instead those of demagoguery, dictatorship, or revolution, [which induced] men's whole-hearted devotion to the charismatic individual through a blind and fanatical trust and an unrestrained and un- critical faith."(7)
In the case of cults, of course, we know that this induction of whole hearted devotion does not happen spontaneously but is the result of the cult leader's skillful use of thought-reform techniques. Charisma on its own is not evil and does not necessarily breed a cult leader. Charisma is, however, a powerful and awesome attribute found in many cult leaders who use it in ways that are both self-serving and destructive to others. The combination of charisma and psychopathy is a lethal mixture--perhaps it is the very recipe used at the Cookie-cutter Messiah School!
For the cult leader, having charisma is perhaps most useful during the stage of cult formation. It takes a strong-willed and persuasive leader to convince people of a new belief, then gather the newly converted around him as devoted followers. A misinterpretation of the cult leader's personal charisma may also foster his followers' belief in his special or messianic qualities.
So we see that charisma is indeed a desirable trait for someone who wishes to attract a following.
However, like beauty, charisma is in the eye of the beholder. Mary, for example, may be completely taken with a particular seminar leader, practically swooning at his every word, while her friend Susie doesn't feel the slightest tingle. Certainly at the time a person is under the sway of charisma the effect is very real. Yet, in reality, charisma does nothing more than create a certain worshipful reaction to an idealized figure in the mind of the one who is smitten.
In the long run, skills of persuasion (which may or may not be charismatic) are more important to the cult leader than charisma--for the power and hold of cults depend on the particular environment shaped by the thought-reform program and control mechanisms, all of which are usually conceptualized and put in place by the leader. Thus it is the psychopathology of the leader, not his charisma, that causes the systematic manipulative abuse and exploitation found in cults.
The Cult Leader as Psychopath
Cultic groups and relationships are formed primarily to meet specific emotional needs of the leader, many of whom suffer from one or another emotional or character disorder. Few, if any, cult leaders subject them- selves to the psychological tests or prolonged clinical interviews that allow for an accurate diagnosis.
However, researchers and clinicians who have observed these individuals describe them variously as neurotic, psychotic, on a spectrum exhibiting neurotic, sociopathic, and psychotic characteristics, or suffering from a diagnosed personality disorder.(8)
It is not our intent here to make an overarching diagnosis, nor do we intend to imply that ah cult leaders or the leaders of any of the groups mentioned here are psychopaths. In reviewing the data, however, we can surmise that there is significant psychological dysfunctioning in some cult leaders and that their behavior demonstrates features rather consistent with the disorder known as psychopathy.
Dr. Robert Hare, one of the world's foremost experts in the field, estimates that there are at least two million psychopaths in North America. He writes, "Psychopaths are social predators who charm, manipulate, and ruthlessly plow their way through life, leaving a broad trail of broken hearts, shattered expectations, and empty wallets. Completely lacking in conscience and in feelings for others, they selfishly take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without the slightest sense of guilt or regret."(9)
Psychopathy falls within the section on personality disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which is the standard source book used in making psychiatric evaluations and diagnoses.(l0) In the draft version of the manual's 4th edition (to be released Spring 1994), this disorder is listed as "personality disorder not otherwise specified / Cleckley-type psychopath," named after psychiatrist Harvey Cleckley who carried out the first major studies of psychopaths. The combination of personality and behavioral traits that allows for this diagnosis must be evident in the person's history, not simply apparent during a particular episode. That is, psychopathy is a long-term personality disorder. The term psychopath is often used interchangeably with sociopath, or sociopathic personality Because it is more commonly recognized, we use the term psychopath here.
Personality disorders, as a diagnosis, relate to certain inflexible and maladaptive behaviors and traits that cause a person to have significantly impaired social or occupational functioning. Signs of this are often first manifested in childhood and adolescence, and are expressed through distorted patterns of perceiving, relating to, and thinking about the environment and oneself. In simple terms this means that something is amiss, awry, not quite right in the person, and this creates problems in how he or she relates to the rest of the world. 6
The psychopathic personality is sometimes confused with the "anti- social personality," another disorder; however, the psychopath exhibits more extreme behavior than the antisocial personality. The antisocial personality is identified by a mix of antisocial and criminal behaviors--he is the common criminal. The psychopath, on the other hand, is characterized by a mix of criminal and socially deviant behavior.
Psychopathy is not the same as psychosis either. The latter is characterized by an inability to differentiate what is real from what is imagined: boundaries between self and others are lost, and critical thinking is greatly impaired. While generally not psychotic, cult leaders may experience psychotic episodes, which may lead to the destruction of themselves or the group. An extreme example of this is the mass murder-suicide that occurred in November 1978 in Jonestown, Guyana, at the People's Temple led by Jim Jones. On his orders, over 900 men, women, and children perished as Jones deteriorated into what was probably a paranoid psychosis.
The psychopathic personality has been well described by Harvey Cleckley in his classic work, The Mask of Sanity, first published in 1941 and updated and reissued in 1982. Cleckley is perhaps best known for The Three Faces of Eve, a book and later a popular movie on multiple personality. Cleckley also gave the world a detailed study of the personality and behavior of the psychopath, listing 16 characteristics to be used in evaluating and treating psychopaths.(ll)
Cledde's work greatly influenced 20 years of research carried out by Robert Hare at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. In his work developing reliable and valid procedures for assessing psychopathy, Hare made several revisions in Cleddey's list of traits and finally settled on a 20-item Psychopathy Checklist.(l2) Later in this chapter we will use an adaptation of both the Cleddey and Hare checklists to examine the profile of a cult leader.
Neuropsychiatrist Richard M. Restak stated, "At the heart of the diagnosis of psychopathy was the recognition that a person could appear normal and yet dose observation would reveal the personality to be irrational or even violent."(l3) Indeed, initially most psychopaths appear quite normal. They present themselves to us as charming, interesting, even humble. The majority "don't suffer from delusions, hallucinations, or memory impairment, their contact with reality appears solid."(l4) Some, on the other hand, may demonstrate marked paranoia and megalomania. In one clinical study of psychopathic inpatients, the authors wroa: "We found that our psychopaths were similar to normals (in the reference group) with regard to their capacity to experience external event as real and with regard to their sense of bodily reality. They generally had good memory, concentration attention, and language function. They had a high barrier against external, aversive stimulation....In some ways they dearly resemble normal people and can thus 'pass' as reasonably normal or sane. Yet we found them to be extremely primitive in other ways, even more primitive than frankly schizophrenic patients. In some ways their thinking was sane and reasonable, but in others it was psychotically inefficient and/or convoluted."(l5)
Another researcher described psychopaths in this way: "These people are impulsive, unable to tolerate frustration and delay, and have problems with trusting. They take a paranoid position or externalize their emotional experience. They have little ability to form a working alliance and a poor capacity for self-observation. Their anger is frightening. Frequently they take flight. Their relations with others are highly problematic. When close to another person they fear engulfment or fusion or loss of self. At the same time, paradoxically, they desire closeness; frustration of their entitled wishes to be nourished, cared for, and assisted often leads to rage. They are capable of a child's primitive fury enacted with an adult's physical - capabilities, and action is always in the offing.(l6)
Ultimately, "the psychopath must have what he wants, no matter what the cost to those in his way."(l7)
FROM THE BOOK: "Captive Hearts, Captive Minds"
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libbisue
July 11, 2009 - 1:34pm — quietude (not verified)I know how hard it is when we feel so abandoned for no good 'reason' we can think of. It is painful, and takes a lot of recovery time. Good for you to go for therapy that you're happy with, and that you're aware that by putting yourself back into circulation, you know what you need to watch out for.
It must have been validating for his own family to apologize to you. Of course he refused to get help, abusers seldom recognize they are the ones with the issue!
Keep up the NO CONTACT, it's the only way that you'll truly be able to focus on your recovery.
You found enough positive
July 11, 2009 - 1:21pm — CarolynYou found enough positive with this man to stay with him and try to make the relationship work. There is a lot of evidence coming out some recently from UCLA that narcissisim is a lack of cellular development in an area of the brain that controls empathy and sympathy. He simply does not have the genetic emotional intelligence to be in a relationship with an adult without acting so badly the woman eventually leaves. therapy and institutions can't help them and there won't be any changes. he is what he is and as you have experienced he feels no shame for how he acts. he disappointed you and just left. that to him is normal.
You are doing well to be moving on, dating, enjoying therapy you survived a very bad experience and now you have to remember Lisa's number one rule NO CONTACT.
Thanks for your comment to me
July 11, 2009 - 1:34pm — onwithmylifehi Carolyn, thanks for your response back to me.I remember thinking when I went with him how his emotional intelligence was retarded. Like once when I took him to a graduation ceremony for me and he just stood there in the middle of the room and looked like a lost kid!i always thought his emotional development was arrested.His brother told me once their mother use to smother,spoil and dote on him.
Question: To move or not to move?
July 11, 2009 - 2:29pm — Jameslibbisue
Can I ask you a personal question(s)?
First question is did you ever move to Montana?
Second if not would you do so now?
The reason for these questions is for me the state of Wisconsin now is a state I would never never move too in fear of running into her. If you don’t answer the questions I do understand completely but I am curious to your answers.
Thanks!
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hi james
July 11, 2009 - 2:53pm — onwithmylifeI did not move with him. I live in Colorado as did he before he left.I would only contemplate a move if I had a good job there but that is a hard state to make a living and since i have good jobs here, I am not going anywhere until the economy improves.He is retired so can live where ever. It is funny because he was so desparate to have me move with him to a place sight unseen and with no, possible job prspoects for me, as I have to still work. I think he was after my money more than anything else, because I have more money in my condo than he had in the trailer he sold!!! He said to me years ago,"I never loved you, I just wanted us to get a house together so I could drive you off a cliff and get the house!!!" I only questioned him years later and he said he was just joking!!!!?????
libbisue
July 11, 2009 - 5:34pm — JamesThanks for the reply. Just wanted to know if I am the only one that feels like this. Insomuch avoiding a state because the possibility would exist that we just "might" run into her. Guess I should be more like the old gent in Anytown. But thanks for the reply and if any other members feel like this please let me know..
One bright, beautiful Sunday morning, everyone in tiny Anytown got up early and went to the local church. Before the service started, the townspeople were sitting in their pews and talking about their lives, their families, and so on.
Suddenly, Satan appeared at the front of the church.
Everyone started screaming and running for the front entrance, trampling each other in a frantic effort to get away from evil incarnate. Soon everyone had left the church except for an elderly gentleman who sat calmly in his pew, not moving, seemingly oblivious to the fact that God's ultimate enemy was in his presence.
Now, this confused Satan a bit, so he walked up to the man and said, "Hey! Don't you know who I am?"
The man replied, "Yep, sure do."
Satan asked, "Aren't you afraid of me?"
"Nope, sure ain't," said the man.
Satan was a little perturbed at this and queried, "Why aren't you afraid of me?"
The man calmly replied, "I've been married to your sister for 25 years."
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