How long before your N's mask came off?

How long before your N's mask came off?
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For me it took about 6 months before the blatant out right cruel behavior began. There were warning signs in the beginning that I chose to ignore. By year 2 it was unbearable and I left him. We got back together after 5 months and it was the same pattern: first 6 months great, year 2 horrible. So I left again....this time for good. What about u all?

better off's picture

We lived together for almost

We lived together for almost two years, got married, had an awesome honeymoon in Mexico...and when we came home he said, "I'm the husband now and this is how it's going to be."

And there were really only two problems with me, Everything I Said, and Everything I Did. It was horrible. I fought back but it was totally demoralizing. I wanted to leave him after six weeks. And why didn't I?? Because I didn't "believe in" divorce (as he well knew). And really, because I was so confused. He portrayed a totally different person to the world.

He had betrayed no stress about getting married, so a friend had convinced me he was just having a delayed reaction, he was just freaking out. That seemed to make more sense to me than that his entire life was a psychological sham. And you would have to know him, he's not really capable of "plotting"...but he doesn't have to plot to act this way. I kept waiting for the man I thought I married to come back.

After one long hard horrible year, he actually started acting more like a normal person again and I'd say we were pretty happy. The N didn't rear his ugly head until we had a baby, something else he was so excited and not stressed out about. Until it happened. He started his rampages when the baby was about a 3 weeks old, since you know, babies need attention. Eventually he settled down again...but he has always been supremely jealous of my relationship with our first son and still is. All in all, though, things were okay until I went back to work when my youngest started school.

I say "okay" but he was still self-centered and did things that made no sense and has always been very critical, but I was really involved with raising my children I guess. I imagine he seemed less controlling because there was less stuff to control, I was a SAHM. But when I went back to work he became extremely unreasonable. Several years of that.

I met someone "perfect" online, and while that ended up to be a disaster, it did give me courage to start standing up to my husband's emotional abuse...and that's when I found out what he really thought. I'm afraid I attributed normal feelings underneath his acting out, but when I started resisting him he made it clear that my role is to serve him without complaint. It's taken me a long time to see that he really and truly believes that, oh, and while I'm up, could I get him another beer?

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better off - you made me laugh!

he really and truly believes that, oh, and while I'm up, could I get him another beer?

you made me laugh because I was buying a pendant for a friend the other day and saw this:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=26755178

So... is that your guy? LOL

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better off - you made me laugh!

he really and truly believes that, oh, and while I'm up, could I get him another beer?

you made me laugh because I was buying a pendant for a friend the other day and saw this:
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=26755178

So... is that your guy? LOL

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better off's picture

I might have to order that,

I might have to order that, LOL!

Barbara's picture

it is vital

for us all to remember

THEY ARE NOT NORMAL PEOPLE and can NOT be judged as if they are.

THEY ARE PATHOLOGICAL
THEY ARE DISORDERED
THEY CAN NOT BE SEEN OR JUDGED AS NORMAL

This is precisely why it is impossible to figure them out. No NORMAL person could wrap their head around the disordered mind. Nor should we.

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Marie's picture

Life is too precious

Life is too precious to waste trying to figure out these psychos. The problem is in figuring out it's them that's the problem and you shouldn't waste time trying to make a relationship with them. In the beginning when the problems started I wasted so much time on these dating sites trying to figure out if it was me. I had been out of the dating loop for almost 20 yrs so thought maybe I was continuing with something that might have also caused my marriage to end. It was hard facing another failed relationship but in this instance now I can see it was nothing I about me that was the problem. Better to run away when you figure out they are nuts.

Jodie's picture

Better off

It's funny how all of our Ns are so disgustingly similar. Mine threw me across the honeymoon suite after a fight. I knew instantly I wanted a divorce but stuck it out as long as humanly possible. I'm so sorry you had to deal with that pathetic tyrant for so long. There is such a better life awaiting you.

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Barbara's picture

It's funny how all of our Ns

It's funny how all of our Ns are so disgustingly similar

That's because that "similarity" is the very ESSENCE of PATHOLOGY!

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quietude's picture

better off

aaakkk! That is horrifying...to come home from the honeymoon and be TOLD that?? Wow!

Mine put off our wedding plans...hemmed and hawwed...leaving me in a state of confusion and stress.

If I ever should run into him again, which is doubtful, I'll probably say "THANK YOU!!" (for sparing me a lifetime of HELL!!!)

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How long before your N's mask came off?

Powerful question.For nearly 20 years, I was in a relationship with an evil Narcissist. During our very first meeting when I was 19, there was conflict and I walked away from him. He was one of the most handsome men I had ever met.His charisma and presence was hypnotizing.His clothing was impeccable.He appeared to be such a gentleman throughout the evening, doting on me, and treating me as though I was a princess until the end of the evening when he attempted to seduce me.I said to him, "Is that the only reason you were nice to me this evening?" He actually said, "Well, yeah." I walked away from him. He followed me and apologized.
I saw him a year later.He was so unimportant to me me back then.I was curious that he looked familiar and I could not recall his name.Eventually, a friend recalled his name.At age 20, I approached him, playfully and gently tapped his shoulder as I asked, "Excuse me, are you NAME?"He aggressively responded,"Who wants to know?" Second time in his presence, and second time I walked away from him as I stated, "Well, not me." Later, he apologized, and asked for my number. I wrote it on a matchbook in some way hoping he would lose it and not call. He did call six times without me talking to him. He charmed my mom on the phone, and she insisted I talk to "such a nice boy." I eventually talked to him, and he charmed my friends and family to the point that they were questioning me, "He is crazy about you.He is such a nice guy. What's wrong with YOU? Give him a chance." Young and naive, I listened to others instead of my instinct to not be with him.
Within 2 months, the traumatic bond was fermented. We were making out and even though I repeatedly told him "NO" to sex, he forced himself inside me. Back then, I didn't know about date rape.I cried for days.He called the morning after and said, "Why are you crying?" I said, "I told you NO and you did it anyway." He said, "I know you said NO but I thought you really meant yes." I somehow, then felt responsible for HIS RAPE PERPETRATION. I remember thinking, maybe I should have physically fought him more, maybe I should have kicked him or bit him...Of course, my body was responding to his sensual touches but my mouth repeatedly and firmly stated, "NO!" It took me more than 20 years to no longer blame myself for his act of rape.
His pattern and narcissism is so clear to me now after two decades, a marriage to him, a child, a divorce, and the unraveling of the infrastructure of my daughter's life and my life.His mother and I became close friends, and we were his greatest enablers.Get this one. He was physically abusive on repeated occasions. On one occasion, I commented about my bruises. He said, "Oh, YOU just bruise easily." Under his evil spell, I remember thinking, "Maybe he's right. Maybe I do bruise easily." With the rose-colored glasses now shattered, I clearly see, "I DID NOT bruise because of me. I BRUISED BECAUSE OF HIM."Excuse after excuse I made for his evil, sadistic, abusive behaviors.
When I met him, I was an undergraduate psychology major and by the time we married, I had earned a master's degree in psychology.While married to him, I earned a Ph.D. in Counseling.Throughout my 20 year relationship with him, I suffered in silence.I didn't use the label "domestic violence." Instead, I said things like,"You know you walk like OJ Simpson. You and he have such a similar presence.Or, I feel like Julia Roberts in Sleeping with the Enemy.Or, I am not your whipping girl and on and on."
A counselor friend and I were recently discussing my level of denial about him and the abuse while I was with him.She said, "You didn't name it because if you named it honey, then you would have had to do something about it like leave him.You weren't ready to leave him.You loved him and you just wanted his crazy BS to stop." She is right. I did leave him all the while wanting him to get treatment that he never did, and his crazy BS has not stopped.It now plays out in our extremely flawed judicial system.
His sense of entitlement and irresponsibility to the extent of economic abuse has been validated by the courts.He left about $290,000.00 of marital debt fall upon my shoulders as he refused to shoulder any of the responsibility for the debt he and I created together.Anything I have received I had to pay my attorney to fight to gain. Do you women know that if your husband walks away from $1,900.00 per month mortgage obligations,you can be left trying to pay that debt alone? Oh, I eventually after much money spent got him to pay about a fourth of the mortgage, yet, a fourth contribution from him still placed me in a no-win situation because I was confronted with still paying three-fourths of the mortgage and almost all the other debts while trying to sell the home, and maintain stability for my daughter and me. Of course, another manipulative strategy of abusers: Place you in a no-win situation, and then point the finger at you when you cannot produce.
In my opinion, attorneys who advocate for these types of clients become the Evil Narcissist's Abusers by Proxy. It is my belief that a Narcissist's attorney is either morally and spiritually bankrupt, himself, or in great denial as I once was in denial. Three books I recommend:1.Bible 2. "Why Does He Do That? Inside the minds of angry and controlling men" by Lundy Bancroft. 3."People of the Lie" by Dr. Scott Peck. I refer to my evil-ex as Satan which means "Father of Lies;Father of Pretenses." Many blessings to all of you harmed by evil people

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Shattered optimist

My heart sunk and I got chills when I read "you just bruise easily!" mine said THE EXACT SAME THING after physically abusing me and leaving bruises on me. Wow

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

GhostBuster's picture

Same thing

Mine said the same thing...you must bruise easily. And it seemed to innocent...a little forceful and sudden "leading" me in a different direction and not-so-playful poke. When I fell during a sporting activity and commented that such a fall hurts more in middle age, he coldly replied "it wouldn't hurt so much if you took better care of yourself."

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GB

it wouldn't hurt so much if you took better care of yourself

And taking better care of yourself means leaving his sorry ass FAR behind. ;)

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Barbara's picture

I recommend Bancroft's book

I recommend Bancroft's book highly!

Get Lisa's book - you will love it.

You do know that the IRS offers "Innocent Spouse Relief" when these predators dump financial burdens on you?

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His mask or my blindfold?

In hindsight I would say that at times his mask slipped a bit even during the very first few months. There were even a couple of red flags before our first 'date'. Problem was, I was so infatuated and hopeful that if I couldn't get my own blindfold on fast enough, I would almost re-adjust his mask for him, make excuses for him in my own mind.

He was very lucky when it came to me. I was totally dependant on him right from the start. I was living as an illegal alien, my travel visa had expired, I had moved from one side of the country to the other to live with him. I knew no-one, didn't drive, had no job and all my family and friends were across the other side of the world.

His mask came off after our first weekend together, he came home from work Monday evening and I suddenly didn't recognize the personality that walked in the door. We had talked on the phone a couple of hours earlier and he had seemed fine. I came to the conclusion that I had broken some rule or expectation of the 'coming home from work reunion'.

My whole marriage was 13 years of confusion as he put masks on, took them off, got new ones, ressurected old ones, left them off for weeks, then suddenly wore two or three at a time. His cruelty really began to seep out within about 2 months, but I never saw it as him being cruel, because he always managed to make me believe that it was something which I had done 'wrong' which caused his 'entirely normal reaction'. Sometimes I didn't completely believe that what I had done was intrinsically bad, but I always believed that he had genuinely been upset by something I had done, often for reasons of culture or his personal experience which I didn't know about, so I always excused him and tried to open his mind to new ideas and to trying to be more relaxed and accepting. Looking back, I seemed so naive, but I genuinely loved the guy and wanted the best for him.

Things got really ugly during about year 3 when we moved to my home country.... because of certain social issues, his career and popularity his opportunities for primary supply grew huge and I suppose that a wife and young daughter at home must have felt like a huge burden for him. I understand all this now, but at the time it was unbearably painful to live through.

By year 5 his mask was often off completely for long periods of time and he was/is truly evil. I felt it to my core, but I still didn't see it, I think the shock of it all kept me so unbalanced, I didn't know what I was looking at.

whatever2009's picture

wow

My N was straight up from the beginning, I cannot be faithful, I will never stop sleeping around, I will always be this guy, I will never have a gf. But then he did the OPPOSITE of ALL of that. Has been faiththful, treated me great, made me trust him. So in the beginning he was 80% GREAT 20% ASSHOLE.... Now we are bordering 50%GREAT 50%ASSHOLE.......

and when I pull away............100% GREAT!

Barbara's picture

whatever.

whatever - you must stop falling for his false self's HOOVER MANUEVER. You are only hurting yourself.

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finallydone's picture

Actually very quickly

Keep in mind I've been with this guy for 8 years (although hopefully he'll show up Wednesday at the closing and sign off on the house.) But the mask actually came off about 3 months into it. He was on the road doing a gig with a popular band called The Van Dells and called upset about something the bandleader said to him. I was trying to make him feel better saying it probably wasn't him, the guy was probably just in a bad mood and he came back with "SHUT UP YOU F'ING B!!!) Totally out of the blue. I was so shocked I couldn't think... but of course my response was to believe that I must have actually said something wrong rather than having the correct reaction and telling him to take a hike. I spent the next 8 years of my life doing that. I didn't know it was a mask... it's only going over and over it in hindsight that I realize what occured. It was totally shocking when it occured.

Marie's picture

About 2 yrs.

There were some familar red flags early on but chose to give him a chance and see where the relationship went. He seemed like a nice guy with a few problems. I was wary though after having been in an extremely abusive relationship for about 5 yrs over 20 yrs ago. After a year he tried to get me to move in with him and began pressuring me to open up a joint account. It was then I found out he had been out of work for over 7yrs with a now dwindling bank account. I also learned the real reason his marriage broke up. His wife threw him out because he had been cheating on her. So while she went off to work he watched porn all day and chased after everyone. It was during the second year while I was gaining all this information about him that the man I fell in love with began to disappear. He was unable to keep the "good guy" act going but never got totally ugly with me. I think he has hopes of roping me back in but I'll never go back. The person I see him as now is not a person I'd ever be involved with, he's definitely not the person I fell in love with.

grossot's picture

7 yrs But now I reflect on

7 yrs

But now I reflect on the past and I see control and manipulation that I didn't see when I was under his spell. I think things started becoming bad when we had our daughter. He told me I was making him feel trapped (week we brought her home from the hospital). That was 3 yrs after we were married;8 yrs of a relationship. Now I realize he felt threatened by the attention his own newborn took away from him. Looking back, he stole a lot of attention from her even as a baby and toddler. I remember feeling so torn about who to give my attention to. I think everyday about how I should have done mor for her than I did. Good topic.

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Barbara's picture

the mask

there were cracks about 2 months in but it really went south with PsychoBoy at about 13 months.

exNH? Took him 8 years!!!

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quietude's picture

cracks

Ughhh! That freaks me out...8 years? Makes me think you can't trust anybody...I mean how do you know?? :(

GhostBuster's picture

Quickly

Oddly, with both Ns, red flags started popping up at about 2 months. I talked calmly with each of them about the flags, then chose to look past them and gave each a chance. They each behaved themselves for a while longer, but the masks came ripping off at 6 months--with both of them. They completely turned into a person I didn't recognize.

I've read that Ns typically start really revealing themselves at about that 6 month marker, but it seems from some of your accounts it took longer (even years) for the N to fully reveal himself.

better off's picture

Mine even said to me, when

Mine even said to me, when talking about the future...I just don't know how I'll feel in 6 months. This was after the initial hooking phase when he wanted to be looking in my eyes when we were 75 years old...but then when it started getting "real" he didn't know how he might feel in 6 months. And that's when I started getting nervous...because seriously, you either love someone or you don't...if you love them you will still love them in six months. Of course, he was "confused" after six months, right on schedule. translation: NEXT!

Someone once asked him about the country he was later moving to...and he said he wouldn't really know for 4 to 6 months, after the honeymoon period. Hmm. House, country, woman, whatever.

Then there's my H who NEVER wants to let me go....do you guys remember that scene from the opening of the movie Stripes...when Bill Murray's car gets repossessed, and he goes inside and his girlfriend is leaving him, and after she walks out he says...You can't leave!! All the plants will die...

Marie's picture

6 month marker

Funny in reading the last two posts I remember 6 months in was when he started pulling out of the relationship. I had plans that Christmas to go away it was an arrangement made before I became involved with him but wasn't going to change my plans. Right before I was to go away because he was going to miss me so much we were to have a lunch date. This was the first time he was to be unavailable to me, he was impossible to get hold of. I didn't want to go away without seeing him so I called, I could tell he really didn't want to see me even though he insisted he did. It put me in such a foul mood. I remember driving to the restaurant and him saying you don't seem happy about being with me; if you want to just order the food and take it home you can. It wasn't at all that I didn't want to be with him. I was upset because the guy that seemed so crazy about me was gone. The person sitting opposite me just wanted the date over with. I decided not to call when I got back and he didn't call me. Eventually he did call me and I regret ever taking the bait again.

quietude's picture

their word is 'nada'

better off, you're so right, they are so wishy-washy! And they LOVE to keep you in a high-alert state, I swear!

My initial impression of my N was, this is such a stable, responsible guy...at last! So you have this solid image of them in your head, and that's what you roll with.

Down the road, my ex turned out to be the most erratic, unpredictable person I ever met. I felt so 'swindled' that he purposely presented this image of himself to me, and he turned out to be quite the opposite.

He asked me to marry him, HE'S the one who talked about it, the ring, honeymoon...wanted to make sure we covered our bases. We also were living apart at the time, so he had to organize the details of getting here, and acted very serious about it all, and planned it 'perfectly'.

He arrives, and it's getting closer to the date, he turns into this total flake...acting sad, unsure, lost. And I'm thinking "oh no, after ALL of this, after ALL we've been through, he's gonna FLAKE OUT on me again! I was so upset, and ultimately he DID flake out, disappeared on me AGAIN...for the last time.

No more playing with my head, heart, and soul. But here's the kicker - he wanted me back almost immediately. I got totally tired of feeling cluster f***ed all the time...so it was BUH-BYE a-hole for good.
I'm no longer available to be his little 'experiment'!!!

Marie's picture

Quietude

Flake is such an appropriate word. My guy too seemed like such a down to earth responsible guy. Turns out he is the laziest effing lying baby I ever met. He would rather spend his time scheming of ways to sue to get money then get off his butt to get himsef out of the hole he dug. A great deal of his time is spent looking at porn and chasing any woman who'll give him the time of day. He is in so much debt it's scary when I think what I could have wound up with if I took him up on his marriage proposal. After having been married and being in an extemely abusive relationship before that, I wasn't ready to walk down the aisle anytime soon. Thankfully he disappeared on me once too many times at points in my life when I truly needed him. He showed me what an irresponsilbe uncaring clod he really was; it made me hesitant to take any major steps with him.

He too painted this wonderful picture of life together and how he wanted to buy a vineyard. My life when I met him was so hectic. Always working to make ends meet, he brought so much calm into my existence then. When he wasn't being an a-hole life was comfortable with him. I could envision spending my life with him and possibly marrying him. But just as I would get comfortable with the idea he would become cold then disappear. It was so hurtful especially later on now that it's obvious he never loved me. Such a scam, I hate him!

better off's picture

What a jerk! Yes, I was the

What a jerk!

Yes, I was the one with the objections, the reasons it couldn't work...and he always had an answer. He was the one who said we were soulmates, emailed me real estate listings, etc, for 1.5 million dollar houses in my city...talked about putting his kids in boarding school (I said NO, and that was a real turnoff to me)...I was the one who said I was afraid he was going to get bored and lose interest like he tended to do with hobbies (so do I)...no, no he says, that is NEVER going to happen, I'll never leave you. It wasn't until AFTER he had me 110% in his hand that he started having doubts. That he didn't know WHAT he wanted...he needed time to sort himself out. Of course putting it that way, always leaves it sort of hanging there, doesn't it? That maybe he WILL sort himself out, that he'll see we were meant to be together.

And he still wanted me around, he just "wasn't in a place to be close like that anymore." Except for when he dropped hints that he was...and then pushed me away again. It drove me crazy.

But there is no begging me back or anything. That's one thing that's never happened to me, unlike everyone else. I am definitely "out of sight, out of mind" with him. He's busy with new girls.

Marie's picture

Better off

Be thankful he's busy with new girls. Mine now and again pops in to check the waters and see if there is a chance. He makes me sick acting as if nothing has changed between us, though he also mentioned he can't express his love for me the way he once did. What is that about? It's nothing but a pack of lies. Right now "I'm out of sight, out of mind." Have not heard or seen him in a week and hope that becomes months because it'll mean he's found a new victim to screw over.

quietude's picture

Yes, total jerks!

They gain our trust and then pull the rug out from under us...I mean, who DOES that..psycho-freaks!