Are narcissists warped sexually?

Are narcissists warped sexually?
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Originally posted on Sept 5, 2007, 9:54pm

On the thread topic "Being Married to a Narcissist," a few of us got on the topic of narcissists and sex/intimacy. I'm copying what I posted to this discussion thread a couple days ago and am interested in hearing what others who have been involved with narcissists found.

Narcissists love pornography. They are warped sexually. Not because they like porn, but because they are addicted to porn and prefer to watch porn rather than be intimate with their significant other. My ex would rather watch porn than sleep with me any day of the week. It makes sense if you think about it.

Of course they prefer to masturbate by themselves to pornography rather than be intimate with another person. They get turned on by their own image! I talk about this more in my book in the sub-chapter titled, "He avoids intimacy and sex." They have what's known as a Madonna-whore complex, which ultimately explains it all. They are only turned on by whore's (porn stars or strippers) and view any other type of woman as a Madonna, completely sexless.

If they are a cerebral or intellectual narcissist, they avoid sex and regard it as a maintenance chore required to sustain their narcissistic supply - a.k.a. their significant other.

If they are a somatic or sexual narcissist, sex with several different women is a means to get narcissistic supply, but nothing more. Narcissistic Supply = Attention/Affirmation

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When i first got with the N,

When i first got with the N, he was very attentive ( now i kno he was securing his supply). It was like a sex marathon with him. I had to fake orgasms so he would stop. Then it would be months before he ever touched me again. I think he thought he was turning me on with his "marathons" but in reality, it was a turn off because it was down right exhausting. Anyway, of course it got to the point to where we never had sex again. He also liked porno. I watched my first video with him, he really liked them. I was disgusted & embarrassed. His ex gf told me that her phone bill had alot of charges to porno calls & texts. She said he cut her off from sex too but that he would jack off ALOT! I Asked her if we would do it in front of her & she said yes, in bed, on the toilet, in the shower, but he wouldn't have sex wirh her! I guess they do different things in front of different women because he never "went there" around me & we were together for 6 yrs. (i'm sure he did it but where i could see him). She said that she would wake up to him doing things to her & it creeped her out. He would call her a bitch, a whore, etc. Not once did he call me a bitch (to my face anyway).

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marathon sex

Since many pathologicals need much less sleep than normal people, lack of sleep is likely to catch up with her. The pathological consistently keeps her awake, demanding her company while he watches TV, picks fights, or wants marathon sex. Her diet, exercise, down-time, spiritual practices, and friendships all go by the wayside while her stress levels increase. (This improves his trance & hypnosis of her)

The fast-paced lifestyle contributes to a total deterioration in her health. Her physical exhaustion can greatly increase her emotional fatigability. She is now unable to hold her ground against the pathological, and despite the exhaustion, she remains hypnotized, fixated on his extraverted, highly exciting persona.

Sandra Brown, MA - WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS

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That is great...

I was exhausted for the 2.4 years I dated my XN. Yes I agree they need very little sleep and do run you ragged.

NanC's picture

Minimal Sleep?

How do they get away with such little sleep? I am still floored how these men & women have so much in common. I can't believe EVERYONE doesn't know about narcissism. It should be as well known as cancer!!!

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how they get away with so little sleep

you know sometimes I feel like no one believes me....

THEIR BRAINS ARE LITERALLY DIFFERENT!!

They are PATHOLOGICAL and NON-HUMAN - that's how! Incurable!

(Not yelling.... really. You must remember these are NOT NORMALS... they are depraved!! sick!!! PATHOLOGICAL!!!!)

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Kelly's picture

Insomniac

My last ex told me he has been dependent on a powerful anti-anxiety med and anti-psychotic med to help him sleep because 4 or 5 years ago he went six weeks with no sleep and nothing else would help.

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duplicate

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Marie's picture

Porn

My N admitted to his addiction to porn. The first time we were going to be intimate with one another, he couldn't get an erection. He later admitted to being up almost all night masturbating, isn't that a turn on! But later on still he blamed me saying that physically there was something wrong with me and it felt uncomfortable. That I wasn't shaped right. A lot of bs to try and make me feel terrible about myself because he couldn't get it up. Overall the few intimate moments he could never keep an erection, they were the worst sexual experiences I've ever had.

When we were in the midst of our break up, one of the things he pulled out of his bag of magic tricks was he couldn't be with a woman who has obviously slept around to be that good in bed. So now I was a whore with a badly shaped vagina.

After our break up and the no contact spell broken he began sending sexually suggestive emails. Mostly pictures of fruit shaped like body parts things suggestive in that way.

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no boundaries, no class

I was a whore with a badly shaped vagina

if anyone has the guts to repeat that to you just look at them and say "was it as disgusting to you coming from his mouth as it is to me coming from yours?" and walk away.

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Badly shaped Vagina's,and,sick

Dicks.My ex N complained about him being tired of "OLD granny panties"-he is 66,when,we met.Then,when we were married complained about wife#3's(p...y)being so loose he had to take it out and wipe it with a rag to get traction!(yes folks his EXACT words!)Going on and on how beautiful my p...y was,and,it was the most beautiful p...y in the world,then,about a week or two later started complaining that i was TOO tight and that he lost his erection because he couldn't STICK it in!!!!!!!!!DANG!too loose,now,too tight.Hmmmmmmmmm.........it doesn't matter girls,as,nothing satisfies these losers.Its NOT US,its THEM,and,it will be that way no matter who they are with.Theirs is a miserable existance.Just think,nothing making one happy.

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So now I was a whore with a badly shaped vagina.

oh my god, this made me laugh not at your expense, guess the shape of his hand is more fitting to his penis huh? What an idiot, the vagina is a muscle that conforms to the penis, what the hell is he talking about, unless its shaped like a star or something his is full of crapola. How in the hell could one masturbate all night? He is probably blind by now, ha ha sending you pics of fruit shaped like body parts? Sounds like something a 12 year old would do. No you are not a whore with a badly shaped vagina, he is a wacko that masturbates all day because he cant function with a beautiful woman next to him

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cynthia

LOL, you have a way of putting things...even the most horrific things in a funny way that keeps me laughing. I really appreciate your humor. Thank you!

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LOL

Glad I can make you still smile, laughter is the best medicine, sometimes I should not laugh at such awful things, but they are so pathetic the things they come up with are really stupid, the excuses too are too much sometimes for me to handle, and I have heard some real good excuses from mine. I think mine left thinking I was really stupid and thats ok what do I care, he probably thought what a dumb ass, she will believe anything. Little does he know he has been discussed for over two years with my counselor, I have studied and researched this man's sick mind, in a way he was a lab rat that I closely observed and figured out over the course of three years, although I have never seen a lab rat masturbate that would be interesting to say the least. I take great satisfaction in keeping my knowledge of what he is unaware to him, its sad really do they not think any of their victims would never wonder wtf is wrong with this pervert I better talk to someone about his deviate behavior. As much as they try to be careful they still expose themselves and take risks subjecting their victims to their dark side, big mistake on his part, he picked a victim that was much smarter than he gave me credit for, you know what they say always keep your enemies close. I cant tell you the times I just played dumb with him, but I can walk away safe and that is my first concern that I got away safely and that is being just plain smart

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Marie

Wow. The very first time my N and I tried to have sex he couldn't get an erection either. He said he was "nervous." What a load of crap. It took a long time to figure out what his real problem was.

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

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ME TOO!!! OMGosh!!!

WTH??

The VERY First time we were together, he KNEW I had been celibate for 8 years! I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GREAT THING!!! I thought that Men WANTED a Pure Woman!!! Well he lied and said he did...He wasn't freaking turned on by a CLEAN woman!!!!! Oh my gosh! He couldn't get it up either!!! He also said it was because he was nervous!!!! LIAR! And he always told Me he wasn't into Strippers and Porn! But I could NEVER look at his phone or his computer!!! Intimidation BIG TIME about those two things... Now I see why very clear. I was so Pure and Gullible I actually Swallowed the "I've never ever masturbated! I never had too! That's just weird!" Now I see that because of my Pristine character and nature - He thought he needed to Be PRISTINE too... and he did or I would have dumped him in a flash!

WOW! I was so Naive-- He wasn't turned on!! I have NEVER been with someone who COULDN'T Get a freaking erection!!! My First husband always said You have the BEST Va-J-J... and to think this SICKO didn't find it AMAZING PROVES he's just a TWISTED LUST FILLED HOMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UGH! Marie - Girl... There's NOTHIN wrong with your Va-J-J!! LOL... He's STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ARE ALL without a Flippin' BRAIN or HEART!!!

Barbara - You are Correct! THEY HAVE MESSED UP BRAINS!!! I believe that - they have been "Taken over" by Darkness in my Belief.

All Fired Up!!!

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Marie

Psycho-Boy initially told me the reason he decided to keep it just cybersex and not sleep with me is because 1. 'it's safer for both of us' and 2. 'you (me) are too nice.'

Now he says this:
You were an old friend of YidwithLid's from college. You used the internet to track him down after 30 years, which wasn’t too hard because he’s a published writer. You had cyber-sex with him and then got him to agree to meet up with you.

When he did meet up with you, to his horror, he saw that his ex-girlfriend from college had ballooned into a 275 lb fat pig with poor hygiene and he didn’t want to bang you. He politely excused himself by saying he couldn’t do this to his wife.

You then began stalking him and his family, driving by his house, sending letters to his wife, his parents, his in-laws, his rabbi, the police, anyone with whom you thought you could slander his good name. His poor wife was left with no choice but to report you to the police after you threatened to harm her children.

Sound familiar porkchop?

None of this is true. I have hard evidence proving he tracked ME down, he INITIATED and COERCED me into cybersex and there was NO PHYSICAL WAY I could have stalked him.

The excuses they make are beyond the pale, aren't they?

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Barbara

OMG that's terrible!

The things they come up with are truly amazing. So twisted!

Once my N began commenting about phone calls, email or even IMs I stopped any kind of communicating because he was blaming me. He would always IM me but then complain he gets sick of IMing with someone who lives so close, that it didn't make sense. I knew he was talking about me. So I blocked him, now he doesn't have to IM with me at all. So he too is another one that blames me for initiating contact. Just sick.

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yes Marie

It might be even worse if you had BLACK & WHITE PROOF that he is the one who initiates contact. It's all baiting.

I'd swear Psycho-Boy puts stuff on his right wing politics blog just to bait me once in a great while. Maybe I am paranoid, who knows? (I see it because we are on the same blog aggregator with 700 blogs and he tends to write the most OUTRAGEOUS titles for his posts... when I do see its him I IGNORE!)

Yes and Psycho-Boy got his WIFE to help him harass me. God only knows what he told her... I am an obsessed stalker, blah blah blah. Anything to prevent her getting the truth about him.

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I've posted on this thread

I've posted on this thread about our "sex" life but I'll add some more. I found pics saved in his computer, one was a girl with a baseball bat inside of her. It was appalling. When he could get it up and we could have sex if I tried putting my hands on him to feel a different rhythm he'd grab my hands and forcefully hold them on the sides of me, I guess he wanted me to lay there like a dead fish. One time he actually covered my mouth with his hand and said SSHhhhhh!!! I felt like I had to lay there and let him do his thing but I wasn't allowed to participate. It was sick. I had soooooooo much resentment with the way I was treated to the fact that he admitted liking porn more (because "it is easier"), to him rarely being able to get it up that I started thinking about an affair. He is such a twisted, twisted man. He got involved with porn at the age of 12 and it destroyed him. He told me "sex is dirty." He wouldn't look at me during sex and would stare off with this psycho look in his eyes. I always knew my body was being used as friction for his perverted fantasies.

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

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Truth

Isn't that the truth? My NH told me at the end of June that he "had all this sexual tension" and "had two choices". He could jack off to porn and have no pressure at all or sleep with me and "hope I liked what he was doing". Nothing about love or intimacy... Basically saying he would rather watch porn - and that isn't the first time he has said something like that.

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RE: warped sex and the N

i would refer to my ex N as somatic. I never knew of him to watch porn, however I did not live with him. He liked to masturbate in front of me and we had sexual relations everytime we were together which was almost everyday. Sometimes the sex was "normal", however, he prefered I make noise, scream, call out his name. He would get pissed if I didn't. He would get pissed if I didn't get off. Sometimes, we as women just can't. Mostly he did things like pull my hair til clumps came out in my hand. He did this "rape fantasy" sex. He'd pin my arms down on the bed and tell me not to resist..."you know you want it." There was nothing intimate about it. He wouldn't kiss me. He was forceful and hurt me, like biting my nipples. (Sorry if i am being too graphic) Or he'd throw in the comments. "you're legs are sooooo skinny." "you have weird toes." "the last time we had sex, I could feel your spine." (I weigh 102 at 5ft 4inches and have always struggled to gain weight. Stress screws me up worse, I can't eat.) Needless to say, I have not worn shorts or sandals for 2 years. But, yeah, the sex was out of the ordinary for me. He was too "versed" in sex to have not seen it somewhere especially when he alledged he was only with his ex of 28 years who hated sex. Hmmmmm. Wonder why. She probably wanted to keep her hair. And he always wanted to do things while driving, even in the light of day. When I would not oblige, he'd get pissy. "but you said you'd do anything for me!!" I don't know if any of this is considered warped as far as NPD goes, but it was to me and I am 42 and have had a few "normal" relationships. I can tell you this...I ALWAYS FELT USED FOR SEX. If he gave me money to help with my bills, he expected an oral encounter for him only. He didn't even have to say anything, he'd just pull it out and put it there. Then leave. I felt used in the last half of the relationship cuz he backed off on the help. In the beginning, i felt like a well paid whore.

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Threesomes????

I have been reading posts about narcissists being warped sexually and having threesomes and that sort of thing...do N's come in all types when it relates to this stuff.. for example my N acted like he was repulsed at the thought of a threesome, but rather lingerie or being intimate on an airplane....things that I have never experienced.

This is the same N that constantly questioned my past and needed to know that he was special and different from my past relationships.

Also, he liked to look in the mirror alot or at himself...rather than at me. I think im pretty HOT to look at lol

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We ALL ARE!

We're ALL HOT! THAT'S WHY THEY WANT US INITIALLY...

SHOOOOOT... I KNOW I'm HOTTNESS!! He's just a Sick Pig who dressed up like a handsome Gentleman...

However, You can put LIPSTICK on a PIG - But
bottom Line: It STILL A PIG!!

Dig? LOL ;)

All Fired Up!!!

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High Five to that Tamra

We are DEFINITELY hotties ..... they like to have the best!!

He even sent me an email a month after he dumped me telling me he was so proud to be seen with me.... All about image for them... however he treated me like crap, cheated on me, tried to get me pregnant while playing around behind my back, withheld attention.... however all he had to say at the end is that we "looked so good together".... so warped!

That's what makes it all so sad... all about image, attention, control, magical thinking, and manipulation. Little 3 yr olds in a man's body.

Barbara's picture

threesomes

Psycho-Boy wanted either a threesome with me & my best friend! or he wanted us to have sex while he watched. GROSS.

Sexual Ns all vary in their choices of depravity. But not in their addiction to it.

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3somes

Barbara...my N's ex girlfriend was a stripper. They used to have threesomes daily...and snort cocaine off each other. Absolutely disgusting. Not to mention he was only with her for a little over a year and she had THREE abortions with his children. They must both be so proud. When I found out she had 3 abortions and I asked him "How could she? How could YOU?" He said "I don't know...she was Fertile Myrtle! Could you imagine if I had three kids? My life would be a MESS!"

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Barbara's picture

threesomes

that's disgusting... both of them. I should send you the escort reviews Psycho-Boy had posted on the net then ran around erasing. To this day he tells people he NEVER (LOL) did that and I planted it all. Yeah, he started posting his reviews of this high-end hookers in 1999 and didn't get in touch with me until mid-2002... once again a Narc bending the time/ space continuum!

I guess he never heard of CONDOMS. A lot of Ns don't want to use them - that should be a HUGE red flag!!

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hehehe!!

Mine asked me for a threesome. I told him yes!!he and another MAN!!!hahaha!!didn't like that idea-reckoned he could'nt share me, I said-why not, I can share you!!! hahaha!he didn't know if I was kidding or not! I liked to turn the tables on mine-that's one thing I laugh about now!!

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sexual narcissist

he prefered I make noise, scream, call out his name. He would get pissed if I didn't. He would get pissed if I didn't get off.

Sounds like he had a porn addiction on top of being a "Sexual Narcissist." They tend to de-sensitive and be unable to perform if you are physically perfect or perform like a porn star. UGH.

He was too "versed" in sex to have not seen it somewhere especially when he alledged he was only with his ex of 28 years who hated sex. Hmmmmm. Wonder why

Sounds like what Psycho-Boy told myself and Target #2. His wife was cold, unfeeling and wouldn't give him a proper bj. Puhlleeeze. I would bet that your's ex (like Psycho-Boy's wife)
1. was sick of being used like a blow up doll with a pulse
2. your exN was suffering from Madonna/Whore Syndrome with her
3. she was sick of the unnatural sex
4. he preferred porn (Psycho-Boy preferred porn & hookers)

NEVER EVER LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY; LISTEN TO WHAT THEY 'DO'!!! His behavior indicates a serious sex addiction that means he will NEVER had a real relationship with anyone but his penis.

I ALWAYS FELT USED FOR SEX. If he gave me money to help with my bills, he expected an oral encounter for him only. He didn't even have to say anything, he'd just pull it out and put it there. Then leave.

As if you're a whore. Unbelievable. And Typical of Sexual Narcissists.

NO CONTACT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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As if things weren't bad enough

I guess I've read the term psi vampire before, but ignored it and didn't think whatever it was had anything to do with my narc husband. But after reading a few posts to this topic I got the idea maybe I needed to look into it a little more.

All along my husband has told me he can read people and get their "vibe" as to whether they have a "dark side". He also has told me that if anyone around him is in a bad mood, he too will get in a bad mood. Or feel the same way they are feeling as if their mood rubs off on him. It was true and for the last 10+ years I've not been able to be upset without him getting in a worse mood than me and then taking it out on me. So I stopped showing most of my emotions when I'm upset, sick, angry, depressed, ect. It is a sad existance knowing I can not get any sympathy from him to help me through my bad days. And in fact end up coddling him through his bad mood because I gave it to him. Weird and sick.

He's told me a lot of weird stuff about things he's known, but just the other day was the weirdest. We've not been getting along after what he did on the 26th, and I've distanced myself emotionally from him. It seems that he has intensified his awareness of me and seems to know more now that I'm not telling him anything. The other day I was on my cell phone with my father. My father knows everything about what my husband has done. And my husband knows I've told my dad so he doesn't like me talking to him anymore. Obviously this is a source of contention that I will never give in to. Anyway, when I thought I heard my husband pull in the drive I told my dad that I had to go because H was home. I got off the phone and checked the window and he wasn't even there. About 10 minutes later he did come home. The next morning H asked me what I was talking to my dad about the day before and why did I tell him I had to get off the phone when he pulled in the drive? I asked him how he knew I'd spoken to my dad and he said he had ways. That's all he would say, but it just gave me the creeps because it was not a normal conversation at all. I figured he could have seen on my cell phone that I had spoken to my dad and just assumed I hung up with him when he got home. But how did he know exactly what I'd said to my dad before I hung up?

Another thought I had. If H is a psi vampire, it would make sense that I am always drained and tired and usually not feeling well while he is all happy, hyper even and full of energy. Yet when he isn't around I get more house work done and have more energy and don't feel ill.

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Do Narcissists Attract Supernatural Evil?

by Anna Valerious

While holding my breath, I'm going to venture into the uncharted territory of narcissists and evil in the supernatural realm. I have never read anything in material about narcissism that even touches on I'm going to bring up now, so I don't know if I'm going to be describing a complete anomaly or if others will be able to relate. Because my entire approach with this blog is under-girded by my conviction that my experiences are not unique I will venture forth on that presumption now. This is a big deviation for me because I have made an effort to make sure I stay away from the purely speculative and buttress my comments and observations with logic. It will seem like quite a deviation for me from your perspective. Keep in mind, though, that I am describing experience. Mine. I have no way to prove it. I can only describe it. If you have had similar experiences you're going to recognize that I am describing a reality. It is very real to those who've gone through it even if you can't grab onto it, put it in a box and quantify it.

Halloween is around the corner -- as you've been forced to notice due to the movies coming out and candy and decor spread around the stores as you shop. This subject seems somewhat in the "spirit" of the season. So if I'm hitting wide of the mark of the subject of narcissism...at least I'm being seasonal. *big grin*

My narcissistic mother is a magnet for supernatural evil. There...I'll just throw that out there and try to explain what I'm talking about.

I have felt and experienced this evil personally so this is not a figment of her imagination. Unless you want to believe that I have an overactive imagination myself. Believe whatever you want. I have no vested interest in making this shit up. Being a very rational human being I sincerely doubt I would believe in a personal supernatural evil if I hadn't experienced it so frequently and persistently through my childhood. Even somewhat into adulthood. So, I understand if you don't believe in this unseen realm. For some of us it is not unseen or unfelt. In the meantime, I hope you'll be merciful in your judgment of me after this post. I think there is ample evidence that I live on terra firma. I'll just take one foot off the ground, but I promise to keep the other one planted on earth. I'm not brave enough to describe too much of the weirdness because I'm very unsure how it'll be perceived.

Let me go back to one of my Nmother's admissions made to me once or twice over the years. She doesn't believe that the attraction of evil to her is any reflection on her...so she has confessed some things that I don't think she realized how it really sounds to someone outside her self. The reason I believe what I'm about to relate to you is that there is supporting evidence outside of her to confirm it. I think my mother takes a certain amount of pride in the attraction she seems to present to the supernatural world. This explains her willingness to share what she has about the very early beginnings of her contact with it.

My mother admits that as a very young child she started having strange things happen to her including "visits" from something real yet intangible. Some of it frightened her, but one aspect of it she welcomed and embraced. Maybe what she is actually describing is the fact that at a very young age she started to embrace her own evil. I'll never know for sure.

She had a certain precocity as a child as well as being a very pretty little girl. She tended to be very reserved and quiet with adults. Watching, listening. She had experienced a certain amount of power with the adults due to her very pretty little face and well built little body. Her family worships beauty (to this day). There are many very pretty people on her side of the family. Members of the family were often ranked by their level of beauty. My mother has been admired for hers since birth. Perhaps this early and frequent admiration helped spawn the somatic narcissist in her.

What she started to experience was, not so much a voice, but an alternate intelligence as early as four years old. This intelligence did not present itself as coming from her own thought processes. She describes it as a old intelligence...one with knowledge that far exceeded what a child could possibly know. Though she was a little afraid of this sense of having company in her head, she started listening to it because it was giving her extremely important intell. The voice instructed her on how to manipulate adults. She proceeded to implement the information despite her little quiver of fear as to what this power might really be. She experienced great success. Unfortunately for her, this intelligence was not always benevolent. I know it will be tempting for some to attribute this phenomena to some organic brain disorder. If that makes you feel better, go right ahead. I am convinced there is a frequency out there in the supernatural realm that some people are easily tuned to. If you set your dial this frequency the signal comes in stronger. Stay set on this frequency and risk the loss of your soul.

My mother married a man who didn't believe in Deity and, most certainly, did not believe in a personal devil. Living with my mother for a few years changed his outlook...mostly on the existence of supernatural and evil beings. And I'm not talking about my mother herself. No, like the rest of us condemned to live in close proximity to my mother, he felt things. Things that can not be explained rationally. And if there was ever a man who liked to stick to rational...it was my father...especially way back then. I was only an infant when my father willingly conceded that there must be evil beings in the supernatural world. He had only been married to my mother for a couple of years at this point.

My childhood is replete with memories of fear. Where ever my mother made a home it was haunted. Enter a room and feel like you're being watched. See shadowy figures sitting in the living room in the dead of night. Even certain pictures gave off scary vibes.

My mother had a set of pictures that terrorized me for years. I even told my mother that the pictures scared me when I was around six years old...she just laughed. The creepiest one of all was hung for years over the toilet in the bathroom I had to use. So I had to turn my back on that freaking thing every time I had to use the toilet. It was torture. Especially at night. That picture moved from house to house and found itself hung over a toilet I and my sister had to use every time. It was always over the toilet that her children and the children she baby sat had to use. The last home of my parents that I lived in as a youth had three bathrooms. The picture was finally relegated to a half bath downstairs so I could avoid it most of the time. I was 16 years old by this time and I still hated that picture. The picture is gone now. Yeah, mom finally took it down after her daughters both left the nest and she no longer watched other people's children. What is with that? It is like she knew that picture unsettled children. She hung that thing for at least 30 years. I also wasn't the only one disturbed by this picture. Some of the children my mother baby sat dared to voice to me their unsettled feelings about the pictures.

I can understand my mother buying those pictures because she liked them, but there is something cruel and mean about keeping those pictures in the bathroom I was forced to use after I expressed my deep fear of them. My sister told me later that she, too, hated those pictures. These pictures featured children with inhuman eyes. The eyes enter the realm of the "uncanny valley". Very close to human, but not quite human giving you a feeling of revulsion. That I was as disturbed by them as I was I believe is because of the general atmosphere of my childhood home. In addition to the non-innocent child faces of these pictures they also depicted abandonment, sadness, poverty which reflected some of my deep childhood fears and feelings. I have found the actual picture on Google that hung above my childhood toilet. I can objectively look at it and see why some people may like the pictures. But I also see what is disturbing about the picture. I recognize that the picture was interpreted very negatively by me because of the atmosphere of my home and my life. So, as you can see, I'm not ascribing some supernatural power in the picture itself. But it was a representation of the creepy, inhuman and lonely, and sad undertones and overtones of my mother's home.

The pictures are a small thing, but it is representative of the general feeling of unease that both my sister and myself felt at various times. I am not a person who is afraid of the dark. At all. Even as I was growing up I tended to not be fearful of the dark. But sometimes I was. Overwhelmingly. There were times that I could feel that I was not alone. It was not a feeling that was ever-present all through the house, either. I would walk into a particular room and be instantly cold and aware that someone was there. Watching. Darkly malevolent. It would sometimes move to another room.

Maybe we had bad luck and always moved into "haunted" houses, you may say. Uh, no. I don't think so. The last home that I lived in with my parents was built by them. Brand-spanking new. No, it wasn't built on top of some ancient grave site. My parents still live there some 30 years later. That house is filled with the same creepy vibes all my mother's homes had. The common denominator is my mother. What is interesting is that this house my parents built and still live in has creeped out other adults. People who had no idea what my childhood was like. No mention by me of the scary feelings in my mother's home. They have commented on how they felt the very same things I have described here...like the place was haunted. No one sees ghosts. It isn't like that. It is a sense of a cold, malevolent spirit. One that watches and follows you. One that wishes you ill.

Even though I have been visited by this evil presence, I do not experience any of these things outside of my mother's home or presence. It is obvious, therefore, that I am not the magnet for this malevolent spirit. She is. She is the doorway that opens the crypt from which these evil supernatural presences walk freely. Think of it what you will. There is ample evidence that there is a supernatural realm and some supernatural beings are evil. I also think there is some kind of familial connection with evil spirits. I think when a parent invites evil presences into their life by their conscious decisions that these evil things attempt to lay claim to the children.

I have commented in another post that when dealing with malignant narcissism you are dealing with spiritual realities. Pardon me for quoting myself, but here goes:

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You are going to need a sense of moral and psychological strength in order to oppose the destructive spiritual and emotional force of the malignant narcissist. Whether or not you are a religious person, you need to realize that the malignant narcissist carries with them a malignant spirit. The second meaning of the word spiritual is what I'm describing:

concerned with or affecting the spirit or soul.

This is the realm that the narcissist almost entirely operates in. This also explains one reason it is so hard to nail down the evil these people engage in. They move primarily in the spiritual realm. Which means much of what they do seems nearly intangible. Nailing them down resembles trying to nail Jello to the wall. What they do profoundly affects your spirit. When you've tried to explain the effects on your own spirit and the evidence of the spirit of the narcissist, you've often been met with outright skepticism and criticism of you and your motives. This is because people often can not relate to a spirit they've never encountered personally. It is easy enough for them to disbelieve something as ephemeral and intangible as spirit. Who can blame them for being unwilling to believe in the hatefully evil spirit of your mother?
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My post here today is a further exploration of the spiritual effects of the malignant narcissist. It may or may not be part of your experience. Nevertheless, this is one way that my mother's spirit has affected me (and many others in her life) over the years. I describe it in the expectation that I'm not alone in this experience. If you went through something similar you will probably appreciate knowing that someone is willing to try to describe what you too have felt despite the risk of the disbelief of others.

Depending on how this post is received, I may describe some of my mother's night time visits from something frighteningly evil. She has had this night time visitor come for years. Since her childhood it has been a love/hate relationship between her and this visitor.

If you can't relate to this post it really doesn't matter. It is not necessary to have experienced anything like this or to believe other's experiences like this in order to understand and deal with narcissists. This is just a sort of side street excursion. It will be relevant to some and just curiously weird to others. To those for who just find this wacky and weird...thanks for your indulgence.

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Everything you said is True...

You describe your experiences and I just Wish I could have walked into that house and Ripped those pictures OUT - walked up to Your Mother and gave her a piece of my Opinion!!
I cannot even IMAGINE A MOTHER LIKE THAT. I don't even know what to say...
I know that Narcissism IS from the world of the demonic - Let's just call a Spade a SPADE!! I'm not afraid! They are Possessed AMBASSADORS for Satan's Kingdom... Your Mother tuned into the Frequency and Stayed there - and became a Walking -Talking representative for evil. And Yes The entities, principalities - whatever you wanna label them DO come for the Children too. I am completely FLOORED to hear this happened to you ALL YOUR LIFE! B4 the other Narcs... GOOD GRIEF!! I'm just Horrified - I'm so very sorry - just being a Mother and so In love with my only daughter, I just cannot understand parents like that. However, I do understand the Darkness... It is Wise to KNOW the tools of the One who seeks to destroy you & your soul.

I actually came upon my own little revelation tonight BEFORE I read this in fact - I hope I can share it... It makes TOO MUCH SENSE - to me anyway... Humor me... Its not New age philosophy... its just Good old fashioned not so popular Bible - Check it out:

Just hear this out... I'm sorry if I offend anyone but just take a look at something interesting to say the very least:
If you know anything about Lucifer - The Once Excessively Gorgeous & FULLY Gifted Cherub at God's Throne - He was the CHIEF ARCH ANGEL. If a Narcissist is one who is IN LOVE with themselves then based on the inspired text of Isaiah 14 -- this angel who was blameless BECAME the FIRST NARCISSIST. He was consumed with VANITY and PRIDE. He fell in love with himself!!! He was SO ENAMORED with himself that he became delusional and Wanted to become GOD!!!! HE ACTUALLY THOUGHT HE COULD DETHRONE THE CREATOR = HIS CREATOR. TALK ABOUT STUPID AND OUT OF HIS MIND!?! Is this NOT the Condition of the Snakes we have all been bitten by? Just a thought. No WONDER he got BOOTED from Heaven!!! Jesus said it was Like LIGHTNING in Fact! BAM!!!!!!!! Yur outta here BUDDY!!!
Can ya blame God?? Too ironic to our times? I think Not. Look at this little factoid:
NOW there's a bunch of narcissists running rampid! It has become an epidemic - the numbers are increasing - because EVIL is increasing -- We now have little 'Lucifer's' running around all over the planet -- and HOW DID THEY GET IN??? WHO LET THEM INTO IT? THE FIRST WOMAN-EVE. Gen. 3 - Isn't it just like a NARC to approach the Woman when she's Alone? And the Serpent (it wasn't a literal serpent - it was the Narc Character aka: Lucifer) he Put not only Adam's command to her but GOD's Word into Question with Eve. It was his motive and intent to steal control of the earth because it had been given to Adam by the Creator at Creation. Lucifer Stole the planet by 'baiting' Eve and psyching her out to eat the forbidden fruit - DOUBTING GOD'S WORD. This 'fruit' consumption contaminated her... she took on the character of the serpent.. Instantly blaming him and then passing the disease onto Adam - and when questioned about what 'happened' by God - Adam blamed the WOMAN!! Blame game... sound familiar? This Simple subtle seduction by the First Narcissist has infected our world like acid... has eaten away at our HUMAN DESTINY which is to Be with GOD our Creator. This gave him FULL REIGN to poison mankind AGAINST their Creator and Hasn't he done a BANG UP JOB?????? WASN'T LUCIFER JUST A PISSED OFF ARCH ANGEL WHO HAD A TOO HIGH OPINION OF HIMSELF SEEKING THE ULTIMATE REVENGE AGAINST GOD? Because After all GOD WAS PICKING ON HIM RIGHT???!!! Boo Hoo - Poor little angel-boy... GOD'S A BIG MEANIE!!!! Isn't that what they do???? Seek Revenge? Speak LIES about the people who reveal them for who they are?? He wanted to duplicate himself = and he did just that. And just like the father Narcissist that Lucifer is - he is completely CONTENT to let God take ALL THE BLAME for the Hungry children in the world, the violence, the evil in the world and sit back in the dark corner and LAUGH saying... I'm doing all this and YOUR GETTING ALL THE BLAME!! They don't even think I EXIST!!! Just like a Narc! Make the PURE ONE look like the EVIL ONE.
Destroy the Creator's relationship with MANKIND from Behind the Curtain -- SO NARC LIKE. However, God got the Best of Lucifer already and his days are VERY NUMBERED... so he's about Done.
So I don't sweat the Darkness... Greater is He that is IN ME than the father NARC & his little Narc ambassadors IN THE WORLD!! (I paraphrased that passage-but that is in complete character of the text.) And you may say "ugh! Another Bible thumper!" and that's cool... I don't care... This happened to me because I wanted the Dream guy so bad - I cut God off and I went head first into the MUCK AND MIRE!!! Sorta like Eve...

Once a Serpent = ALWAYS A SERPENT. Dark spirits Do lurk about seeking whom they may devour - Psalms 27 (I think!)
If sharing all this makes me a Bible thumper - SO BE IT!!
But YES Barbara... I KNOW the supernatural realm is VERY VERY real -- It is MORE REAL than the One we live in - Our lives are temporary but the spirit realm is eternal. This mistake of my Narc STBX has brought me back to my senses and has made my relationship with the Father of LIGHTS Better than ever!!! I now Fully Believe Jesus Christ was Who He said and I believe Everything He said. And frankly I don't know that I could have really appreciated it all before this horrific event!!! The Bible is Old fashioned to Some - But when your afraid, the thought of it is comforting isn't it? My experience has been that it has ANSWERS... and that's all I want! "Knock & it shall be opened" And Trust me, I'm KNOCKIN!! I wanna tap into God's Frequency!

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

All Fired Up!!!

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Kate(and others here)

Lucifer(Satan)was the most BEAUTIFUL angel in heaven.He BECAME so PRIDEFUL,that,he thought he could over -throw God.Lucifer(Satan)deceived a LOT of the angels in heaven(even though these angels were in heaven with GOD and KNEW GOD!Now,God casts out Lucifer(and,the angels with him who followed after Lucifer(Satan)......then,we all know what happened next.Well,what does the Bible say about Satan? Satan comes for but to steal,kill,and,destroy.Satan is the FATHER of ALL lies.There IS a very REAL spirit world folks.One in which there is GOOD(GOD),and,EVIL (SATAN).God allowed Satan to do what he is doing for a reason,and,we are not to question God,but,to trust that God knows what is best for us(and,why wouldn't he-he IS GOD our creator).I believe we are put on this earth to make a choice of whom we are going to serve.Be it God(my choice),or,Satan.We cannot serve two masters.Now,on seeing evil entities-my mother adamantly claimed to have seen a thing with red fiery eyes,and,fanged teeth staring at her through the doors window when pregnant with me at the age of almost 26(26 at my birth).She claimed to be able to see a dark(gloomy)other world out the sides of her eyes.Her house was always weird feeling to me.Unlike my grandmothers.My mother was a christian,but,very selfish/narcissistic.As for the entity coming for the children-its Satan using the (SINS)of the fathers(generational curses).what has worked on the fathers to bring about sin-Satan uses against the children.This is what i believe.

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rache

http://howtospotadangerousman.blogspot.com/2008/10/soul-slayer-psycholog...

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rache's picture

WOW!

this was VERY interesting indeed.I am emailing a copy to my son.

GhostBuster's picture

Thank you, barbara

I find this kind of thing interesting so please continue with your story, Barbara.

The reason my name here is GhostBuster is two-fold. One, because Ns aren't really anything and I'd like to see them all busted for being the evil beings they are. Second, because there were many times with my last N that I would see him coming toward me and get the distinct, eery feeling I was observing something supernatural. Like a ghost. When it was happening, I thought that perhaps it was some premonition about his impending deployment to the middle east (in other words, something was going to happen to him). but in the aftermath of our break-up, I began to think it was simply his evil aura I was sensing. I'm not saying I'm psychic or anything, but I have been known to get strong senses about people throughout my life.

Barbara's picture

WWLP

Yes I have a link on my blog, too:
http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com

...along with tons of free abuse related articles & info. ;)

You can just download it and start reading!

What do you think so far Ghostbuster?

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"Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious

GhostBuster's picture

You can download the book

You can download the book directly from http://www.womenwholovepsychopaths.com/relationshipofinevitableharm.htm. You have to pay online, but I had it in a matter of minutes. Started reading it last night.

Barbara's picture

psychic vampire - yes, psychic - no

Sandra Brown, MA even reported in WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS the enormous amount of victims who believe the N/P has some psychic or mystical power(s). I know I did with psycho-boy and maybe he does.

But for the most part they are psychic vampires, mimics and exploiters - NOT psychics:

USE SPIRITUAL LURES

Everyone has doubts and insecurities - about their body, their self-worth, their sexuality. If your seduction appeals exclusively to the physical, you will stir up these doubts and make your targets self-conscious.

Instead, lure them out of their insecurities by making them focus on something sublime and spiritual: a religious experience, a lofty work of art, the occult. Play up your divine qualities; affect an air of discontent with worldly things; speak of the stars, destiny, the hidden threads that unite you and the object of the seduction. Lost in a spiritual mist, the target will feel light and uninhibited.

Deepen the effect of your seduction by making its sexual culmination seem like the 'spiritual union of two souls.'
- Robert Greene, THE ART OF SEDUCTION

I sometimes think of it this way. People who are blind or deaf often have other senses heightened. Since Ns truly can NOT feel and have ZERO EMPATHY - their predatory instincts are heightened. So it might SEEM they are psychic when they are just skilled prey hunters & captors.

Don't get sucked into thinking he's anything more than he is. A predator.

Barbara's picture

stop feeding it

Something similar to this:

http://www.watchman.org/cults/usemindcontrol1.htm

http://www.narcissismfree.com/psychic-energy-vampires.php

Did you know that when your body is allergic to something it often CRAVES it?

You'll see...

It's not on backorder here:
http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/category/products-and-services/hard...

BREAK THE CYCLE

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"Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!" - A. Valerious

cassiemay's picture

psychic vampires

Ooh....thanks Barbara for that link. Scary as hell but so true. It really hit home with me. It's so interesting that there are all these ways to think about this problem. Everything that we all share here is opening our perspectives to a new and often helpful viewpoint. I do love the advantage of sharing your links. Saves me so much time not having to navigate all on my own!

On a personal level, my STBX did this all the time. He would actually say out loud that
"Everyday is not a party. What are you so Happy about?"

Talk about a mood killer....

I'm in the midst of legal issues and have lots to do to prepare for court. So today I was going through misc. crap in my files and came across a couple of emails he had sent to his g/f while we were recently separated. Not Good. "wishing you were in my arms", "I miss you so much", "you were so special to me and I can't forget you"......

Yeah, yeah. I want to do major damage. But I WON'T.

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He does not miss her, he

He does not miss her, he does not wish she was in his arms, and she ain't no more special than a pile of dog shit. He does not have the ability to feel those things for anyone. He didn't for you, he won't for her. You KNOW they say all the sweet stuff to rope you in. She is a NS for him as were you. His life with her will not be any different. Please don't think she's the cat's meow and you were less than worthy

Lisa E. Scott's picture

CassieMay

Oh, I'm so sorry you had to find e-mails of him writing to his g/f. Barbara is right - you should print those and give them to your lawyer. What a horrible, gut-wrenching thing to have to see. Hang in there. You will soon be out of this nightmare of a life with him. Stay strong!

Barbara's picture

Ammo - N just handed you plenty.

Like William Eddy, Esq. says - "You simply cannot afford to be nice to the other person in court, it won't go your way. Be civil, not merciful."

I'd open up the FULL HEADERS on those emails (showing the IP and so on), print them out and GIVE THEM TO YOUR LAWYER!!! They will be great ammo in court. Do it please. This is emotionally abusive to you that he did this FROM YOUR SHARED HOME and showed NO REGARD FOR YOU.

And get on your lawyer to be more aggressive with him.

"Pathologicals only discard the best, the most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They keep fellow abusers, gossips & enabling lackeys close. They despise the principled & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation!"<

cassiemay's picture

barbara and lisa

Thanks, thanks. I AM doing what you both recommended. I've been sorting and sorting through so much stuff after 2 and 1/2 years, but it's amazing what I don't remember and could be in my favor. Well...never hurts to try! Thanks, CM

Barbara's picture

you might find this article interesting

Porn Use Correlates with Infidelity, Prostitution, Aggression & Rape Supportive Beliefs

http://nopornnorthampton.org/2007/01/19/porn-use-correlates-with-infidel...

Personally, I was never against porn. I never saw it as a big deal. Then I got involved with a psychopath with a porn, sex & prostitutes addiction.

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RE: Favorite Pillow

O----M----G.

Favorite Pillow!! ME TOO! My alleged "N" husband's story the SAME. Great sex in the beginning, then the money control, the criticism, the jekyl and hyde mood swings. He professes love and LOVES to sit on the couch in front of any movie, rub MY back, etc. but NEVER NEVER engage in sex. MAYBE he will reach out to touch a breast, but NOTHING. And on the R-A-R-E occasion that I get my yearly sex allowance, it has to be PORN STYLE, nothing remotely loving...and I have to be either spread eagle or legs behind my ears or dressed up in getups and outfits and do-me shoes. Ive begged for years for a normal sexual relationship but he has an excuse every time, He's sick, stomach upset, headache, tired, stressed, afraid he "cant get or keep it up" - he even DECLINED a blowjob!! (right there I started wondering if he was cheating or gay or what??/)
I thought I was alone, because I thought an N would not want to cuddle, but I guess some of them do, as long as they dont have to put out. And you guys complaining that you only got sex from your seemingly "sexless" Ns only once a week, TRY ONCE OR TWICE EVERY 5-6 MONTHS!!!! And Im not a half bad looking, 37 year old. THIS IS SO REFRESHING to hear that maybe Im NOT imagining things!! Time to get myself and the two never-good-enough-or-behaving-enough kids out of here!!

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Silvascript

"My alleged "N" husband's story the SAME. Great sex in the beginning, then the money control, the criticism, the jekyl and hyde mood swings. He professes love and LOVES to sit on the couch in front of any movie, rub MY back, etc. but NEVER NEVER engage in sex. MAYBE he will reach out to touch a breast, but NOTHING. And on the R-A-R-E occasion that I get my yearly sex allowance, it has to be PORN STYLE, nothing remotely loving...and I have to be either spread eagle or legs behind my ears or dressed up in getups and outfits and do-me shoes. Ive begged for years for a normal sexual relationship but he has an excuse..."

Exactly what I went through...great sex early, then money control, etc....It's refreshing to know that you aren't alone, isn't it? It's NOT your fault and he will never be capable of a loving, intimate sexual relationship with you or anyone except himself. It's disgusting. Mine would rub my feet for hours, play with my hair, but sex was out of the question. I too had to dress up in ridiculous outfits and he still couldn't get it up...if he did he would put me in dehumanzing porn moves every time. I begged for "intimacy" for I don't know how long...it never happened. I eventually gave up and left. I'm glad you are seeing the light. You have to get out.