Pain and Pleasure on The Path Forward

Lisa E. Scott's picture

Goldie and The Path Forward support group will help get you where you really need to be - dealing with the pain. Now, I realize that being in the "midst of pain" does not sound all that appealing, but that's half the problem with our culture.

We have been so conditioned to avoid pain and seek pleasure when the reality is that life is an undeniable combination of BOTH Pain & Pleasure. The sooner we accept this, the sooner we are on our way to finally healing.

Countless songs and poems have been written about how pain does not exist without pleasure and pleasure does not exist without pain so why are we fooled into thinking we can achieve all or nothing in this regard or any regard for that matter.

We have to stop thinking in extremes - black and white thinking is not healthy. Events in our life should not be all good or all bad, all right or all wrong. They can be somewhere in the middle, and to be honest, that's really what we should expect. We should never expect perfection.

In today's modern society, we have been taught to avoid pain altogether and seek only pleasure. Since this is an impossible thing to do, it has led to a myriad of creative ways people have found to avoid their feelings. Some may obsess about an intrusive thought that is completely irrelevant to how they actually feel. Some may use alcohol or drugs to numb the pain.

Whatever we do to avoid our pain only keeps us stuck. Until we work THROUGH the pain and GET IT OUT, we will remain in a state of numbness or pain and never experience the clarity and liberation we truly deserve.

The fact is that pleasure and pain both exist!!! We have been so conditioned in life to avoid pain and seek pleasure. As a result, we enage in obsessive thinking so we can avoid confronting the painful reality of our situation. We use the recurring thoughts to distract ourselves from what we really need to confront and process – our feelings!

"Pain and pleasure, like light and darkness, succeed each other." ~ Laurence Stern

Some of us avoid our feelings by identifying too much with our mind - we over-analyze and over-think everything. I know I am guilty of this, and Cognitive Dissonance contributes to this phenomenon. What we don’t realize is that we are unconsciously obsessing in an attempt to avoid our pain. Instead of allowing ourselves to feel, we distract ourselves by getting caught up in obsessive ideation that is completely irrelevant to how we're truly feeling.

Thing is.....nothing ever goes away until it has taught us what we need to know.

We can lie to ourselves or run all we want, but the lesson will keep returning in different forms and manifestations until we learn what it is trying to teach us about our reality. The very first noble truth the Buddha points out is that suffering is inevitable in human beings. It is part of the human condition. We cannot avoid it.

We must accept suffering and open our hearts to look at how weak we are being by trying to avoid it. Only then can we discover that the very thing that terrifies us is in fact a way for us to reconnect with our true self. Facing reality shows you who you are and what is true. Facing our fear and waking up tells us something about ourselves. We must get to know fear, become familiar and intimate with it. It teaches us something. When we stop running and don’t act out, repress or blame, we encounter our true self.

Trust me - confronting your pain is not easy, I know this firsthand. However, you can waste years of your life stuck in darkness or you can get on the forward path now and work THROUGH the pain.....work the Six Steps!!!! All of them, not just the first 3, which this forum is particularly helpful in doing thanks to our fabulous Moderators and all you supportive members!!!!

As Goldie says, "Together we can do what we cannot do alone."

This forum is an excellent way to work Steps 1 through 3, but to work Steps 4 through 6, you really need a more intense support system. As part of Goldie's support group, you will help each other find the courage and the strength you need to process your pain, get real, wake up and heal. You know you will remain stuck if you do not confront your pain.

If you are sick of wasting all your energy moving around Steps 1-3 and want to finally move forward, join Goldie's support group now so you can finally break free!!!! You owe it to yourself!!!!

Love & Light,
Lisa

http://www.lisaescott.com/blog/goldie

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TruthbeginsToday's picture

Thank you for this very

Thank you for this very insightful and thought provoking post.

maui3375's picture

Thank You Lisa

Thing is.....nothing ever goes away until it has taught us what we need to know.. So true Lisa.. My sister said this to me one evening. She says life has a way of teaching us what to NOT WANT for ourselves. ie: Narcs Thank You for this site. I have read your book The Path Forward and was inspired to go NCEA.. It has saved my life and sanity!!!

Lisa E. Scott's picture

Maui

Sounds like you have a very wise sister, Maui! I can't tell you how happy it makes me to hear that you are doing so well now and have gone No Contact! Thanks for sharing!!! XOXO

no more an echo's picture

the sweet and the sour

Most older cultures understood- and accepted- that life is both sweet and sour. That people have a light and dark side. That in every heart there is joy mixed with sorrow.

Not so in our modern society, as you point out, Lisa. We want a 'quick fix', fast-food, instant relationship 'hook-ups', and a pill for every minor discomfort.

There is no room for sadness- let alone suffering in the modern age. There's an APP for that! Anything less than bliss is seen as a personal failure.

The 'Black and White' thinking you describe is unrealistic and points to the personality-disordered direction our society seems to be taking. A full range of human emotions is far too messy in this Brave New (and sterile) World.

You wrote:

"Some of us avoid our feelings by identifying too much with our mind - we over-analyze and over-think everything... What we don’t realize is that we are unconsciously obsessing in an attempt to avoid our pain. Instead of allowing ourselves to feel..."

Yes. Which reminds me of these lines from the song 'Ride the Tiger' by Jefferson Airplane:

"It's like a tear in the hands of a western man
Tell you about salt, carbon and water
But a tear to an oriental man
He'll tell you about sadness and sorrow or the love of a man and a woman."

Thanks for a GREAT blog.

p.s. You also wrote:

"Thing is.....nothing ever goes away until it has taught us what we need to know."

Amen! And I am so ready for a NEW TEACHER! Here's to MOVING FORWARD!

Angel face's picture

blind me with lies

Blind me with lies
I don't believe you. 
Besides,
I will always deceive you. 
There is no winner in this game. 
You love to hate
and me?
Well, I feel the same. 
You see me so perfect
without flaw. 
But I am onto your lie
not just one, 
but them all. 
I often believed 
your gaze on me.
Your superficial way 
you would look at me.
You talk to me 
with your stern tone. 
Your complete goal 
that I would feel alone. 
I see through your devilish grin. 
I am on to you. 
No this one I won't win. 
The curtain will fall 
my forbidden lover. 
Hot coals to fuel fire 
as you consume yet another. 
Do not think 
you have overtaken me.
for one day 
will be my victory. 
I will stand one day    
on higher ground. 
No, I won't plea 
for your soul to be found.
Your lies affected 
one of Gods angels.
For that,
you have heaped 
upon you danger.
Lie to me as you gaze at me. 
One thing I know 
you will burn 
while I live in eternity.

Thank you so much Lisa you are truly a gift from God.! I wrote this poem within 24 hours after I realized the man I loved for 20 years was a Narc. Hell hath no furry like a women scorned. The best thing that happened through this experience was it released my writers block. There is something about pain, in a twisted way, it can bring out the best in us. I have wondered before your experience with the N what path were you on? And how different did the N change it?

no more an echo's picture

(no longer) blinded by lies!

"But I am onto your lie
not just one,
but them all."

"Do not think
you have overtaken me.
for one day
will be my victory."

LOVED THIS!

Lisa E. Scott's picture

No More an Echo and Angel Face!!!!!

First of all, I LOVE your forum name, NoMoreAnEcho!!! You must know that Echo was the nymph who put the spell on Narcissus causing him to drown in a pond as he pined away for his image, which he could never truly behold or obtain.

My third book will be a collection of stories from this website (with forum user's permission, of course) and I've thought of titling it "Chronicles of Echo" as a tribute to everyone here and in hopes our stories will let others know they are NOT alone.

It bears repeating...I LOVE your choice of forum name!!! ;)

I'm also loving the Jefferson Airplane lyrics you posted and how eloquently you describe the monumental problem facing today's modern society:

"We want a 'quick fix', fast-food, instant relationship 'hook-ups', and a pill for every minor discomfort...There is no room for sadness- let alone suffering in the modern age. There's an APP for that! Anything less than bliss is seen as a personal failure....The 'Black and White' thinking you describe is unrealistic and points to the personality-disordered direction our society seems to be taking. A full range of human emotions is far too messy in this Brave New (and sterile) World."

Seriously, this is so spot on!!!! You describe perfectly why and how our society BREEDS personality disordered vampires who have no ability to feel. Add to this, the fact that our culture puts vampires up on a sexual pedastal, it certainly explains why it has become so difficult to find a normal, compassionate and caring human being with real emotions....this type of person is never rewarded in our culture nor are they sexy or exciting...so why the hell would anyone aspire to become this type of person, right?

Unfortunately, this is wrong on so many levels and when you really break it down, which you have done, it's beyong frustrating, isn't it?

It's truly sad when I see what our culture rewards. I mean, the two biggest role models for young girls today are Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilton....both of whom have become famous for making porn videos of themselves having sex with their boyfriends.....Oh wait, the more famous one actually captured her boyfriend peeing on her in her debut video. Yes, you read correctly...PEEING on her in a sexual act.

THIS is rewarded? THIS is who young girls aspire to become these days? To me, this should be an embarassment to America!!!!

Sorry for the tangent, but I am so moved by what you have written, NoMoreAnEcho, AND what you have written, AngelFace!

Your poem is so profound and yet chilling at the same time. It strikes me to the core and describes exactly what I would love to say to my worst narcs. I especially love this stanza:

"The curtain will fall
my forbidden lover.
Hot coals to fuel fire
as you consume yet another.
Do not think
you have overtaken me.
for one day
will be my victory.
I will stand one day
on higher ground.
No, I won't plea
for your soul to be found."

I am amazingly moved every time I come here to read and correspond with members. I wish I could do it more often and I mean it when I say you all inspire me every day.

Gratefully yours,
Lisa

no more an echo's picture

what is considered 'sexy'

Thanks Lisa for all you said. I wish you had time to post more 'tangents' here!

I so agree with your assessment of our culture and lack of good role models. It is shameful and sad.

As for my forum name, I loved Greek and Roman mythology as a child but I never imagined that my adult self would feel such a affinity towards this mountain nymph...And what a fantastic title for your next book! There are just so many great stories here- how will you choose?

And this sums it up:

"our society BREEDS personality disordered vampires who have no ability to feel. Add to this, the fact that our culture puts vampires up on a sexual pedastal, it certainly explains why it has become so difficult to find a normal, compassionate and caring human being with real emotions....this type of person is never rewarded in our culture nor are they sexy or exciting...so why the hell would anyone aspire to become this type of person, right?"

Wow, yeah. Good luck finding that compassionate person. Our culture grooms and idolizes the self-involved, greedy, the 'fierce' and the emotionally distant. When we think about what traits are 'sexy', I don't think 'humility' even comes close to making the list.

Yet it was said that "the meek shall inherit the Earth"...A stranger concept now, I think, then 2,000 years ago when those words were spoken. Absurd. The MEEK. Not the proud. Let that sink in.

Meek definition: Quiet, gentle, humble, mild, and easily imposed on; submissive.

In other words: Narc Bait. Fodder for the psychopath.

I don't know where I'm going with all this but I really believe the key to our healing, (as you explain in steps 4,5, and 6) is to find and nurture our spirituality (not to become religious which is born of man-made rules and doctrines). To wake-up and get real- to commit to truth.

The opposite of spiritual is to put our faith and focus on material or physical things- and isn't that how our Ex-NarcoPaths live?

I'm going to save that topic for another day- the spiritual lack of the The Disordered Ones, that is.

Thank you for creating this forum.

leslieisback's picture

I can so relate to what you

I can so relate to what you are saying. I could not understand why everyone is so into the vampire love affairs. They have always bothered me and I just steer very clear of it. The same as the book "Fifty Shades of Grey". I have not read it, but have heard others talking about it. It is not something I would ever read. I mostly read to learn something new and not for just for pleasure (my pleasure is actually learning). My relationship with my XN took away (for awhile at least) my desire to learn as much as I can.I was so stuck, my brain was telling to run, but my heart wanted to stay. I have been going through a push/pull from the start of the relationship. I actually thanked his wife for setting me free. The past 2 days were very hard, I was so confused thinking I was very wrong and that maybe he wasn't a narc. The blatant lies and everything he has done screams narc. I am hoping I have turned a corner and can now move forward.

I want to thank you and everyone on this website, it is very therapeutic.

Lisa E. Scott's picture

Wow

NoMoreAnEcho - Wow, I love the way you put things.....you really make me think. Such a good point about the meek vs. the the proud. The meek should be rewarded and used to be rewarded in the past. Pride is one of the 7 deadly sins after all,right?

Unfortunately, as discussed, pride, greed and other sins are totally rewarded these days, even revered.

I'm so glad you provided the definition of meek. Certain parts of that definition most definitely describe me. I won't bore you with which ones, but I would definitely consider myself Narcbait.....LOL. "Foddor for the Psychopath," as you say. ;)

Meek definition: Quiet, gentle, humble, mild, and easily imposed on; submissive.

Oh, and I love this: "The opposite of spiritual is to put our faith and focus on material or physical things- and isn't that how our Ex-NarcoPaths live?"

Yes, indeed, it is. Steps 4-6 help you find yourself again, which I believe is the key to our recovery - spirituality. We lost ourselves in the narcissist. Our identity was stripped from us as we tried to conform and twist and contort into exactly what he/she wanted us to be, which would never be enough regardless of what we did for them.

Finding yourself and getting in touch with your spirtuality is something you must dedicate yourself to doing. I was fortunate to spend 19 days in the peaceful Greek Islands after my divorce where I journaled every day and can honestly say, I found myself again. Writing is cathartic to me. It is my outlet.

I realize that it isn't always easy to take time off from work or decide to make a major investment in yourself. However, I strongly believe in order to work the final steps, one absolutley must dedicate themselves to the process 110% by working the Six Steps with Goldie and other supportive group members. I encourage everyone to sign-up before all the sessions fill-up.

And yes, Snowflake - I couldn't agree more! "Fairytales have a lot to answer for!!!" Right on!!!!

Snowflake's picture

In relationships

We are often conditioned to believe it must be drama, drama, non stop thrills and excitement to be a valid/worthwhile relationship.

A real relationship isnt like that, it settles into something nice. Where we can focus on our own spiritual growth i addition to the relationship, where we feel relaxed. An N/P relationship isnt like that, it is kept at that forced drama, drama, rollercoaster ride and its totally unhealthy.

Fairytales have a lot to answer for.... x