Do Narcs love themselves?

goldie's picture

They do not love themselves?

They don't feel love. They are obsessed with themselves. Not the same thing as love. They vacillate between self adoration and self loathing. They feel rage and fear. They are either better than everyone else or feeling like they have it worse than everyone else because they are always losing and wanting something more. Supply, respect, ect...Someone always has more or better than they do and they want it. They live in a state of jealousy, fear, rage, envy, greed, self pity, grandiosity , sarcasm, disgust, fake phony false persona's, con, and manipulation of others. They USE people, they don't love them or themselves. They see what you have that they want and they take it. All the rest of it is for show, pretend. They are easily bored with what they have and are ALWAYS looking over their shoulder to see if the grass is greener somewhere else.

A relationship with a N or P is the farthest thing from love which you are ever going to find.

So many come on here and look for clue's and answers which may show or prove that they do somehow love, if even themselves.

Sorry hon, they don't. They don't love you or anyone else. They are not designed that way. They are wired to use, take, devalue, and discard. They are selfish, self serving, and not the slightest bit interested in how their bad behaviors affect anyone else.

God bless,
Goldie

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Reina's picture

Not Love

I recognized this in my NP LONG before I recognized or understood he was an N, or what now I believe to be a sociopath/NP:

"They live in a state of jealousy, fear, rage, envy, greed, self pity, grandiosity , sarcasm, disgust, fake phony false persona's, con, and manipulation of others."

In my heart of hearts, I knew I would never, could never, stay with this man in the long term. I had lost all respect for this person, the real person that was revealed, after the moved in with me.

How sad that it took me two more years to finally change the locks on the doors, block phones/emails, and, ultimately, get a restraining order. Why didn't I respect myself enough to break it off when I knew, knew, knew he was a very ugly person in reality?

Well, I'm sure this question is what I will be working on with the therapist.

I just joined less than a week ago; I love your posts Goldie. Thank you.

Reina del Dolor / Queen of Pain

erika astrid's picture

Do Narcs love themselves?NO....THEY DON'T!!!

Hi everybody,

NO,THEY DON'T,in fact they hate themselves.One day,I had an argument with my N,ex.It was some years ago,at that time we were still in business together,owning a restaurant.It was about respect,and respecting each other.
(At that time all seemed o.k,I didn't even know what Narcissism was,but cracks were beginning to show.)I wrote
him a note,saying that respect means a lot of things,but especially accepting your partner the way he /she is,meaning we don't always have to agree with each other,but at least try to accept one another the way we are and the way we think.At that time he was crossing my borders full-time and i didn't like it at all,it was very painfull,since we were working together 24/7.His reply surprised me,to say the least.He said all the good stuff about me,that I was taking care of everybody and everything,bla,bla,bla.What he said about himself,was really shocking!!He called himself a loser,faggot,asshole,jerk,jackass etc etc.And to be honest,he did that all the time,So that's why I just know,THEY DON'T LOVE THEMSELVES,THEY HATE THEMSELVES!!!

How sad! ;o(

BTW,I still have that note.

Confusion101's picture

Thank you for the blog

Thank you for the blog Goldie. It's all just so hard to wrap your head around and I keep coming to this site because it gives not only support but the reality check I need. It's very easy to talk myself into thinking he is the kindhearted person I thought and is just going through something. It's also denial though. It's amazing after reading the books and this site how many red flags & warning signs I explained away. I'm also a social worker so his ability to con me for 6 months had me questioning what I thought I knew about everything. In the end, anyone who is a typical, caring human being can get sucked in by one of these master manipulators. They have learned to fake that which we are always in search of; love.

goldie's picture

I hear you Confusion 101

I had experience and knowlege with PD's before I met the XN/P and I too STILL got sucked in. I was talking with a friend last night and I recall the first time I spoke with him, saying, this is the most far fetched story I have ever heard when he was giving me his history.

I was red flagged by him immediately and once he had a chance to work me, he was perfect. He took care of everything and frankly at that time in my life, I needed the help. I had been a single parent for years and run business's and was exhausted. I needed a break, lol. So I escaped into the world of N/P for several months. My life was nearly destroyed in that short time, he worked fast. I ran into one of the police officers who was familar with the case and he said: yes he was looking for one thing, Franklin, Grant, and Hamilton. Money.

He must have thought he had died and gone to heaven, he had NO intention of letting go of me, I was great supply. He rarely did anything for me after that brief honeymoon stage, why would he? I was a strong woman and accustomed to doing for myself and he took full advantage of the situation.

He got out of jail and came back looking for more of this great supply and I was different. Not even close to being the same. He did not find in me what had been there before. I was not willing to do much of anything for him anymore and he left. Moved out of Dodge and was finally willing to leave me alone.

I have never encountered such a selfish, evil, self serving freak in my life and I've known a few doozies. This guy's sense of entitlement went beyond what I was able to comprehend. He came back I believe now, to go in for the kill, only this time Goldie was prepared, I had my armour on and his was not able to penetrate me a second time.

So, this has NOTHING to do with intelligence.

God bless,
Goldie

legacy123's picture

Goldie

Hi Goldie I thought they didn't have fear. I noticed when he was going through his divorce he was doing all kinds of illegal things but had no fear lying to the judge and attorneys. Also, during my rape case he didn't show any fear at all. He continued with life, vacations, gf's etc. I remember reading it on a site. For if he does fear that changes some things in my head in a good way. He is a Sociopath. Thanks.

goldie's picture

Hi Legacy, no not that type of fear

They lie, steal, and cheat like everyone else takes a breath. They don't care about the legal system, morality, or your feelings. They are not ALL exactly the same. Some of them have a "type" of fear which may not resemble the same type of intense fear which others may expereince. They fear getting caught, being dethroned from their power positions, and losing their status with those who still buy into their phony acts. The fear turns almost instantly into rage, yet for some there is a brief fear and they may try to hurt you if they feel you are trying to take them down. There are varying degree's of psychopathy with varying degree's of fear regarding going to jail or losing what they consider their's. Some of them actually like jail. Charles Manson did not want to be let out of jail before he was involved in murder. He begged them to let him stay.

Are they all like that no, yet they have a tendency to lurk in the dark side of life and jail is just another adventure for many of them. I cannot stress enough that this is NOT cookie cutter. Psychology never was and never will be an exact science. Many come on here and find one trait which their N or N/P does not have or has and often say, oh he does not do this one thing or he does do this, so he must not be a N or a N/P. It is not that simple. Some of combinations of various disorders and some are also addicts, and have other issue's as well.

A full assessment to determine their characteristics is a lengthy process and often many would not agree to this, so we go with what we know with the research which has been done up until this point.

God bless,
Goldie

Reina's picture

Fear of Exposure

Mine definitely has a fear of exposure. He is easily embarrassed and made to feel self conscious (not your typical N that way I guess). He owns his own mixed martial arts gym, and is well-known throughout the state in this industry. He definitely is all about maintaining a certain image of hard work, integrity, courage and no fear. What a joke, if he could get other people to do ALL his work for him at the gym he would.

We have a court date of May 23 to convert temp restraining order to long term (3 years) and I know he is going to be so embarrassed standing in front of a judge to be accountable for his actions to me.

The best is every time I find out more crap he has done, he threatens me: "You better not tell anyone! You better not mess with my clientele! You better not let this affect my business!"

Hello, YOU are the one affecting your business! He seems to think that people FINDING OUT is what is wrong, not the fact that he has absolutely no self control or moral character. I was a teacher at the gym, all my friends were at the gym. He think I have no right to talk to any of them about what he's done because they're his "clients." Well, guess what, they're my friends too. And since you cut me off from doing anything except going to work and being at your gym, they're my ONLY friends. And I will tell them what you've done.

Monarch's picture

Goldie...

Thanks for the comment: . "Psychology never was and never will be an exact science. Many come on here and find one trait which their N or N/P does not have or has and often say, oh he does not do this one thing or he does do this, so he must not be a N or a N/P. It is not that simple. Some of combinations of various disorders and some are also addicts, and have other issue's as well."

At times I go into denial and think, "Oh, well Narc doesn't have this characteristic of a typical N, so, maybe he's not what I think..." I then proceed to sweep under the bed the zillion other characteristics he does possess.

You have such amazing insight and wisdom. You've been a constant encouragement in this nightmare I'm having.

legacy123's picture

Thanks Goldie for explaining.

Thanks Goldie for explaining. You are right. he did not fear the courts, etc., however exposure is his biggest fear. That is why they smear you. He smeared his ex and now me. Since he operates without a conscience and clearly no remorse I never saw him fear anything. It was startling to me b ut i didn't know what he was then. I always thought it was odd how he he did such horrrible things to his ex and 2 daughters and he didn't flinch or feel bad.

Thank you Goldie.

goldie's picture

Hi Legacy, no not that type of fear

They lie, steal, and cheat like everyone else takes a breath. They don't care about the legal system, morality, or your feelings. They are not ALL exactly the same. Some of them have a "type" of fear which may not resemble the same type of intense fear which others may expereince. They fear getting caught, being dethroned from their power positions, and losing their status with those who still buy into their phony acts. The fear turns almost instantly into rage, yet for some there is a brief fear and they may try to hurt you if they feel you are trying to take them down. There are varying degree's of psychopathy with varying degree's of fear regarding going to jail or losing what they consider their's. Some of them actually like jail. Charles Manson did not want to be let out of jail before he was involved in murder. He begged them to let him stay.

Are they all like that no, yet they have a tendency to lurk in the dark side of life and jail is just another adventure for many of them. I cannot stress enough that this is NOT cookie cutter. Psychology never was and never will be an exact science. Many come on here and find one trait which their N or N/P does not have or has and often say, oh he does not do this one thing or he does do this, so he must not be a N or a N/P. It is not that simple. Some of combinations of various disorders and some are also addicts, and have other issue's as well.

A full assessment to determine their charactoristics is a lengthy process and often many would not agree to this, so we go with what we know with the research which has been done up until this point.

God bless,
Goldie