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The research regarding a predator shows us that many of them are created, by either, overindulgence or neglect shown to them as children. The overindulged ones generally still have their families of origin for supply and tend to demonstrate as selfish, childish, willful, immature, entitiled, demanding, grandiose, and rageful. Similar to a spoiled 2 year old tantruming to have their way. They do what they want when they want it. The King Baby Syndrome.
The neglected, abandoned, and abused ones are an entirely different story. They come looking to take, control, destroy, infiltrate; they eat you up and spit you out.
Both types have the same general lack or empathy and remorse, yet one, comes from a place of selfishness and entitilement and the other comes from a place of wanting to suck you dry and enjoys not only the ride; they enjoy watching you fall. It is all about control and watching you squirm. They have long ago shut down to human emotions. They vacilate from rage to fear of discovery. They enjoy watching others in pain, it gives them a sense of inner power which was lost to them. We are talking about the Psychopathic Narcissist. Course you don't see any of this in the beginning.
Many ask, how do you tell the difference? Intent. Cause and effect. Watch them and listen and if you have been with one; you know, and you will never forget the experience because it nearly destroyed your life on all levels.
The P/N usually has either no family to suck dry OR he has already burned his bridges with his family prior to meeting you. They know what he is and they are ALL SET.
He is on the prowl for not only you but your family. He is empty inside and has no life of his own. He requires yours in order to look connected and find a new host family to feed on. Generally he does not burn out one person, he burns out the entire family, so when he is done, the damage is not only widespread, he is now in need of a new host family.
He comes a knocking at your door. He presents himself as MR. NICE GUY. He cannot do enough for you, your children, heck he even tries to reach out to your X. What a guy. He will almost beg you to let him do favors and chores for you and the family. He arrives from nowhere and works quickly. YOU become intoxicated by his apparent goodness and feel blessed to have found this "gift from God." Generally there is one or two in the family who do NOT buy into this guy, they try to warn you. You are grateful for all he does and you defend him to those that find his gestures shallow and fake. You may even hear stories about his pathetic childhood and past and admire his ability to overcome his obstacles. Afterall he did nothing wrong, he is wonderful, all those stories are about how "others" screwed HIM. That is what he told you when you ask. Nevermind all that you tell yourself. He is here now and he is with us now. We are not like those other people. We are good people. They must have been crazy or done something to HIM.
You want to give back to him. Do some nice things for him to repay all of his kindness. You find yourself almost catering to his every whim, you even begin to anticipate his needs. You are grateful and you want to keep him happy so he stays connected to you and the family.
Meanwhile he has been cultivating the sexual relationship to cement the bond for YOU toward him. Let's not forget, it is YOU feeling all of this; he is feeling nothing at this point. He listens to your every word almost as if he is in a trance sucking it all in. YOU take this for his puppy dog love surfacing for you and you have never felt so special and "loved" before, it is electrifying. He actually listens when you talk about your children, your job, your dismay over your burned tuna casserole you made for dinner. He empathizes with all of it. One of your kids loves him as you do and you dismiss the other childs reluctance to warm up to him as shyness or she is going through a rough time of her own.
Now this is when the patterns vary. That trace like gaze into your eyes was his informational gathering phase. He was penertrating you and the family like a computer transferring date from one into another. He has taken it all in and he now has all he needs to begin to take full control of you and the family.
He mirrors back to you what he has learned and this is what he becomes. "Thomas Sheridan, Puzzling People," speaks of a woman who had not seen her husband in awhile and when he saw her it took him a few seconds to remember his false persona face for her. When she initially saw him his face was different, he had already created a new false persona face for the new family and he struggled to recollect the one he had for her. Chilling. This is another reason they go MIA, they are off busy creating a new false persona for the new family.
They often go so far as to like the same food you do, the same TV shows, the same type of sex, and the same things you laugh at are funny to them. You would be amazed if you were a fly on the wall at their new hook up, to see that he is barely recognizable to you as the man you thought you knew. Think "The Talented Mr. Ripley" without the murders.
Now the stage is set the props are arranged on the set. The lights are on and the audience is filing in for the performance and let the show begin.
You have been infultrated by a psychopath and he is in full control. He now has access to your home, your finances, your heart soul and goodness, your family, and your children.
The gravy train has shifted and that endless flow of giving on his part has begun to become an endless flow of taking on his part. He needs to play it cool though because if he acts too fast, at this point, you may freak. You start to see a shift in the balance and it is done smoothly so that you are not too suspicious. You do begin to notice and you shrug it off because the sex is so great or he is still driving the kids around and helping you here and there. On occasion you may begin to see his rage or real self peeking out, but by now, YOU feel you have invested so much into him and he is what you thought you wanted, so you put on your blinders for a while longer.
At some point the bough breaks and the shit hits the fan and he shows you something that is just not going to fly for you, so you sit down and "talk" he cries and babbles on about his sad lot in life or he gets angry and blames you, whatever he does. YOU are a willing participant now and invested in the realtionship so you bite and you try to fix.
As Hunter would say, we now begin the washing machine cycle; Wash, rinse, spin, dry and repeat.
You have just entered the Twilight's Zone and it is not going to be pretty. Of course you could and should get out during any one of these cycles, yet by now he has you so brainwashed and confused that you don't even know what side is up and afterall isn't he the man of your dreams? Just when you may be "considering" calling it a day.....He does something great for you or has great sex with you, woohoo, and you are again questioning what has become your reality. Is it me? Is it him? Are we both nuts? You just can't tell anymore because by now all the lines have been crossed and his is your bf, husband, children's "friend" yikes, you feel like you are in too deep to make a clean break. You have a dog together now, business ties, perhaps a child together, a LIFE together. You say you don't want to leave for the sake of your family.
"When you are with a Psychopath, you do not stay for the sake of your family; you LEAVE for the sake of your family."
They also infultrate intact families. A family which already has a husband, wife, and children. They make themselves indispensable to the family as a "great friend" who cares deeply about all of you.
Six months later the husband and wife are alienated from each other and guess who is now sitting at the head of that family table? You guessed it MR. P. himself. Afterall he understands you all better than the OH did, and he is great with the kids, NOT. They have no life and they want what you have; they want your life and will suck it from you and when there is nothing left to take, they will scrape the bones and call it a day.
" Bye bye, sorry, family. You are just not what I want or need anymore, there is this great OF which I have had my eye on for awhile now. I think now, that you all are washed up, I'm taking my things and moving in over there. Afterall I have been preening them for months now behind your back. YUP you were right all along, I was cheating on you. Sori, you just don't seem yourself anymore. Chin up, you'll find a nice guy, you were such a great girl."
These stories are based on factual events, which I have heard many times.
Protect yourselves and your families, if you are seeing any of these signs, get out. Get therapy for yourself and your family. Read the forum and post when you are ready.
I can empathize with you if this has happened to you and I am sorry for all you have been through with these P/N. Be gentle with yourself and educate yourself and these perps. Knowledge is power, it diffuses their power over you.
God bless,
Goldie
P.s. My X has infultrated another family. They are a mother and her boyfriend and 5 young daughters. He is a P/N and crack/opiate addict. I attempted to warn them and it was too late. He had already created his "sad" tragic story about how it was everyone else; and not him. He told them not to talk with me and they did not. They are in my prayers everyday as are all the other families who have encountered these preditors. As this blog illustrates they come on as so great that the new family is not able to see that they are about to be hit by a tidal wave. Apparently the RED FLAG of why a 31 year old man who makes decent money would want to live with a man and women with 5 children; escapes their radar right now. I hope he is not the NM sitting at that dining room table 6 months from now. It is a high for them to steal another man's woman and family. This is NOT about love it is about control and destruction.
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Comments
Thank you
September 29, 2012 - 10:45am — EmjbearWow. This is absolutly terrifing how to the word. Wow.
You are incredibly brave and an inspiration.
Goldie
September 13, 2012 - 4:59pm — RadioladyI respected you before, but to see how you have gone through this and now use it to help others is just incredible!
Thank you for your courage!
Blessings in Abundance!
RL
excellent and clear!
July 16, 2012 - 7:43pm — TruthbeginsTodayThis is truly them.
Thank you for the time and effort that you put in.
Sorry you had to go through this to know it but it is helping so many of us.
Thank you Goldie
May 1, 2012 - 8:59pm — AllieThrough so many of your informative posts I have learned mine was actually a psychopathic narcissist...sad when you actually wish he'd just been a 'simple' narc! But it also reinforces the necessity of staying NC with these monsters. They want to, and WILL hurt you if you give them another chance to.
Oh Goldie, I finally see the OF clearly
April 24, 2012 - 6:56pm — MarlinmomI am blown away by this post. I met my N husband when we were very young, senior year in college. He was abandoned by his mother and had a shitty alcoholic father and five siblings, all show and no real love between them. I am an only child and absorbed him into my family. he was SO nice, helpful, kind to my parents. I actually feel like We made a positive difference for him for a long time --
Generally speaking he was not a typical obnoxious narcissist in that he was not insulting or overtly grandiose and he tried to impress people all the time by being nice and understanding. as you say, tractor beam on others he was trying to get to know or impress or suck something out of, seemingly so empathetic, etc.
as time went on, years went on, though, I realized he did not have normal emotions. he knew the emotions he was supposed to have and played the part, but he never worried about other people, not me, not even his own daughters. no moral compass. he always did what he was asked to do, but he never came up with anything that was about pleasing you or someone else just to do that -- it was always doing something somebody asked for so he could get the credit. getting the credit was a big deal for him. i realized that he loved to buy me jewelry so other people would ask me about it and I could point to him as having given it to me. whenever i wore something he'd given me, he'd always ask me what other people said about it, etc. everything was about getting attention for himself.
the first time he did a family replacement thing I realize was with a company he worked for, after our first daughter was born. he was jealous that she was getting all the attention in the family, so he started obsessing about his job, traveling all the time, etc. they were giving him strokes and that's what he wanted. the hell with some baby.
but the truly chilling element of this is that when his mask started to rip off about a year ago and he started an affair with the woman who reported to him, he also fixated on her grown daughter, and also suddenly became oh so interested in "spiritual" matters and her interest in bible study. I mean no offense to religious people (and I am one too) but the hypocrisy of going to bible study and sending inspirational verses around like they mean something while you're deliberately screwing a married man and lying and sneaking around is a little much for me).
worse, he suddenly seemed to lose interest in our daughters aside from normal day to day stuff around the house. but this woman's daughter he was recommending for jobs, finding work for her in their company; in fact I think he was finding a way to divert company money to her to help her pay for her grad school. it was so odd, more than once he would be raving about her (before the affair actually started I think) and I would say 'what is this fixation you have on this girl? you seem to worry more about her than your own daughters' and he would get mad and just withdraw and pout. this young woman got married and he even expressed to our oldest daughter how upset he was at the guy she was marrying that he was 'not good enough' for her, etc. My daughter was like -- why do YOU care? Why are you so invested in this? meanwhile, he barely gave my daughter's long-term boyfriend the time of day. not negative attention; just no attention.
the OW was married, and like you said, it seemed like he even was overly friendly to her husband, too, for awhile. Now you've made me realize he was grooming and infiltrating. unbeknownst to me, she filed for divorce, and then heated up between them but he was playing us off each other for quite a while. my NH told so many lies I know I don't even know all the details. i threw him out, but after I and everybody we know telling him after I found out what was going on that he had to get the hell out of that job before he got sued, he finally got a new job and -- poof -- all of a sudden he tells my daughter that the stress of it all had been too much for the OW and even put her in the hospital and they were going to 'take a break.' finally, coast is clear for them to come out in the open and nah, actually, that's not so fun anymore. I always got the feeling the woman's daughter was enamored of him as a daddy sub, but her son did not like him. and sure enough, you sketch a scene in your post where that is common, too.
I have been sad and sort of feeling like reaching out to him lately, many for our kids' sake, but reading this is reinforcing what a sick predator he really is. for a long time he kept it under some kind of control but he's lost that ability now and he is like a toxic tornado touching down and hurting everything in its path.
Goldie, I had just not come across anything about the notion of an N replacing one family with another before, but that feels so much like what happened to me. I have even felt as if I never even got to deal with or work on our marriage because he didn't start this affair and do all this weird stuff because we had marital problems, but rather because he wanted to replace EVERYTHING. he literally wanted a replacement life. all the things he was obsessed with around here -- the yard, the garden, the perfect functioning of everything (a friend once said "We can't break stuff fast enough for N to have the opportunitit to fix it"), and yet he's just walked away. says he doesn't miss anything, just seems weird and uncomfortable when he's here. If I dropped dead tomorrow, I don't believe he would move back in and resume parenting. I think he's just coldly moved on.
his original family was such as toxic slime pit he has been looking for the 'perfect' one ever since where everyone indulges and adores him. since he came as close as he ever was going to come with us, i see the rest of his life as one pathetic slide down the misery ladder. Just have to make sure we don't get yanked along with him.
anyway, long rant I know, but your post really was like a cold splash of water on me!! thank you!!
Marlinmom I am so sad for
April 25, 2012 - 9:09pm — bgirlMarlinmom I am so sad for you.
My family was the replacement family...but I didn't cooperate fully and I was destroyed instead...(because I didnt go along with his plan!)
They are beyond comprehension.
I'm very sorry for your devastating experience and I feel for you immensely. I'm sitting on the other side of the fence and it is no better from this side :-/
Take care...I hope for peace for you and yours.
X
B
Thank you bgirl
May 22, 2012 - 4:39am — MarlinmomI did not see this comment when you first posted it; thank you for these kind words girl and I am also sorry for what you have gone through. I can't relate to the motivations of predators and I guess that makes people like us easier prey. what a horrible thing to abuse or neglect or simply disrespect a family -- your own or anyone else's; at the end of the day what else do we have? Wishing you well.
chilling
April 23, 2012 - 5:36am — eyeswideopen35oh wow this is so chilling and sadly i could relate my exnh to it! esp the part about the face changing..
over the years when we had been apart and then got back together his face would seem different.
i remember saying to him once that the last time i had seen him he looked evil/angry but now he his face looks so soft and calm!!!at the start of our r/ship he had that soft look and in the end he looked evil/hard again..
i could never work it out! until now!
His many faces
March 9, 2013 - 11:00pm — AprilDWow, this is so interesting. The XN used to text me photos of himself and they seemed so different depending on where he was or who he was with. He looked entirely different in his work photos, from his home photos, from his car photos and those he took with his son. Like eyeswideopen35 I never could work it out, and now it all makes sense.
Oh wow,you just described ex
April 22, 2012 - 4:15pm — cristinaOh wow,you just described ex N to a t.I just realised he is a N because of both being abandoned and overindulged.His mom left him and grandma raised him,she adored him and refused him nothing,he was perfect,he could do no wrong.
You are also right about 1 kid not liking him.I have 2 boys and my youngest didnt like him at all,I thought he was just jealous.And ex N would do things just to spite him,for example my son couldnt stand seeing us kiss so what did the N do?Exactly:kiss me in front of him just to tease him.So childish ugh!
You mentioned they are on the prowl not just for us but for our family as well.Besides being evil,do they do this also because,since they were abandoned/abused,since they didnt have a family,they dont want anyone else to have that family?Is it because they are envious also?
The family of OW figured him out from the first time they talked to him,they told me they realised he was fake.So what happens when he cant trick the family,only OW?Will he burn her harder just out of revenge?Just wondering...
Yes he does burn her
April 23, 2012 - 5:13am — bgirlYes he does burn her harder.
He watches her life unravel and eggs her on...
He WATCHES her despair with glee and feigns concern for her plight.
He squished her like a bug then walks away without a backward glance.
He KNOWS she will never go back and will also not be with another man....he KNOWS this because this is what he wanted from the get go.
So yes, he burns her...to a cinder.
X
B
Great blog, Goldie! And you
April 22, 2012 - 6:36am — AlissaGreat blog, Goldie!
And you wrote: " "Thomas Sheridan, Puzzling People," speaks of a woman who had not seen her husband in awhile and when he saw her it took him a few seconds to remember his false persona face for her. When she initially saw him his face was different, he had already created a new false persona face for the new family and he struggled to recollect the one he had for her. "
I think this is the example that the book gives of when the woman came home from her vacation and she hadn't seen her husband in a while. But then she didn't come through the gate that he expected her to come through, and she tapped him on the shoulder and he turned around, and that's when he struggled to recollect the fake persona he had for her.
I find this so intriguing (in a bad way of course) because my N is my neighbor, and whenever I run into him (and when he does not expect to see me) , he has a total different look on his face than if I would see him and he KNEW he would see me. I always wondered why the chagrined face, but when I read this part in Thomas' book , I thought it could be that neighbor N was struggling to find the right fake persona.
xx Alissa
This is our story in a
April 21, 2012 - 5:25pm — bgirlThis is our story in a nutshell.
He was successful in infiltrating, dividing and conquering and then ultimately rejecting and abandoning.
He still has his family intact and his wife KNOWS. She said 'he is coming back to me...I have won'
We were absolutely reeling and my H said these exact words...BEFORE we had sought professional help and learned we had encountered a psychopath/N...'he wanted to swap families....but you were too difficult...when you questioned him and held him accountable....he bolted, lied and denied everything.'
The threats and character assassination followed and our lives were Irrevocably altered forever.
I am passionate about education in this field....it is paramount for our society and future generations. Spread the word!
X
B
Chillingly accurate
April 21, 2012 - 2:07pm — Run4itChillingly accurate description of my exNBF. He started infiltrating his "friend's" family, having them over, doing things with them, meeting the wife's father......I became suspicious and was told I was imagining things, crazy etc. That was 8 months ago. OW divorced and took up with him immediately and she has 2 children still at home. Scary.
I even had the same scenario where my daughter liked him and my son absolutely hated him and new immediately that he was a psychopath.
Beware. Beware. Beware.
I am going to read this over
April 21, 2012 - 10:18am — MonarchI am going to read this over and over as a warning to me. You help so many, Goldie. I have been reading your posts for 30 weeks now but have just started posting on this site. I am not ready to completely share my story. But know you are helping so many and keeping them from danger. You are a life saver.
So powerful
April 21, 2012 - 11:26am — Lisa E. ScottSuch a powerful blog, Goldie! Thank you for sharing. I especially love this:
"When you are with a Psychopath, you do not stay for the sake of your family; you LEAVE for the sake of your family."
Thanks for all you do to help others recover from the destruction these people leave in their wake.
Great read.
April 20, 2012 - 7:04pm — HelpMeHealThank you.
By the way, my ex-N has also
April 20, 2012 - 10:55am — oceangirlBy the way, my ex-N has also infiltrated another family. The OW is young, w/two young kids, one of which I think is my ex's. He did, indeed work on this family for some time.
I do pray for her kids, but at some point, with a family that big, I hope someone along the line figures him out, at least before he abuses those kids as well.
What boggles my mind is the fact that so many of these stories are so similar, if not exact, and that they are all equally evil. At least I know I'm not crazy when I think of what he did.
This is excellent and I am
April 20, 2012 - 10:20am — oceangirlThis is excellent and I am going to save it. Your p.s. paragraph is chilling to me, because my ex-P/N told me how his own father had "hooked up" with this OW, but she was still married, and how he (mine ex) would have to hang out with her kids and how his father wanted his own boys (my ex and his brothers) to call this new woman "Mom". Even the two older brothers had changed their names to her last name - one has changed it back to the father's name. Very creepy, convoluted, and mindnumbing.
Thank you for this site.