by Kathy Krajco
People make light of things in order to minimize how bad they are. I think I know why narcissists and other pathological liars think lying is funny and means that they are smart and you are stupid.
On my first trip to Europe, first trip to Rome, we hadn't been in Italy five minutes before the first time we got ripped off. When thousands of lira are less than a dollar, a fresh American can easily not notice a couple extra zeroes.
I got so sick of being viewed as prey, that I was in no mood to buy anything from any Italian that day we were resting in St. Peter's Square and a guy approached us with some 35 mm slides of the Vatican to sell us.
And I should have been interested in those photos, because our camera was on the blink.
I didn't mean to be a jerk: I just felt it would be rude to tell him to get lost, so I let him make his pitch. (Now I know that hawkers and telemarketers hate it when you waste their time like that and that they would rather you hang up or tell them to buzz off.) I just kept shaking my head and saying no I didn't want them. My sister saw me as the perfect bargaining tool, so she let this go on. (She may have even encouraged him for all I know.)
Maybe he and his fellow crooks had been surveying the herd for easy-looking prey (= stupid young American babes in polyester) and he had bet them that he would take us for a lot. Or maybe it was just that, having targeted us and having given us his whole spiel, he was too personally invested in the effort. Whatever, his ego wouldn't let him take no for an answer.
He pestered me to the point that I got up and started walking away. He followed! He just HAD to make the sale. My sister later told me that she kept listening for his price to get low enough as he was rushing after me, bidding lower and lower and lower with me adamantly not interested in buying what he was selling.
"We'll take it!" she suddenly blurted.
You should have seen the look on that poor man's face. He had apparently gotten so carried away he went below cost. He told us he shouldn't be selling the package to us for that price. "That's the price you quoted," I snapped.
As if he needed justification - this I can hardly believe - he said, well, he wouldn't feel so bad if at least these photos of the Vatican were going to a Catholic. So, he asked me if I was one, and I was (then), so I told him so.
He acted like he didn't believe me.
You can imagine how that struck me. Why did he ask such a stupid question that gave a non-Catholic reason to lie and put a Catholic in the position of sounding like a liar if she tells the truth?
Here was this crook, setting me up with that question and then acting like he didn't believe me.
Something - some switch inside me just clicked. I told the biggest whopper I could think of fast enough. "I sure am a Catholic I think," I said snorting. "Uh my brother's a priest and my uncle's a bishop."
That was before I learned how dishonest other people are - back when I NEVER lied, no matter what. So my sister's jaw dropped as she gaped at me, totally stunned to hear me say that.
Guess what? Now he believed me!
Lying to him was a blast. I thought it was hilarious. I thought he was stupid for believing my lie = I thought I was much smarter than him.
Which is what pathological liars think when they lie to you. But they conveniently unknow that they are no stranger that you shouldn't trust. That hawker had no reason to believe me because I was a stranger. But if I had been his friend, I would have been betraying a trust in lying to him. So, when people we have close or intimate relationship with lie to us, that is a far different matter.
We have every good reason to trust them, and they are betraying that (sacred) trust. We have every good reason to assume that they truly have the friendly relationship with us that they pretend to have. Unless we have reason to doubt them, it would be wrong for us to doubt everything our wife, husband, child, friend, or co-worker says.
When we are fooled by a narcissist's lies, that's because we're innocent and honest, not because we're stupid. And it's because the lying narcissist is a creep.
lying makes Narcs feel smart
Wed, 03/10/2010 - 17:54 — calamity-gNice story Barbara. The creep I was with lied constantly, first in front of me to other people but then of course later to me, over and over and over! I witnessed him laugh many times at his lies. He thought he was so smart he even said so. How could they believe me he would say and laugh. I could not trust him b/c I had witnesses these lies and I hated the laughing. In the end he told me not to believe anything he said, which I never did again. Once after that he spent an hour telling me what a horrible life it is being him, not feeling anything making it sound like he was a victim. I called him after his hour spill and told him I didn't believe a damn thing he had said, not one bit of it. "But I'm telling the truth," he said so grossly innocent. I just told him I was going by what he had told me to and not believe him plus I simply didn't believe anything. He's hated me ever since that day.
Sometimes I wonder when he began hating me. This bothers me, why I hurt over it, why I wonder when it started. Do you think they start out with contempt, hiding it with what seems like the greatest love you could ever find? I know that is another subject though.
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Fri, 03/12/2010 - 13:53 — BarbaraDo you think they start out with contempt, hiding it with what seems like the greatest love you could ever find?
they don't start out with contempt - they ALWAYS have contempt - the beginning is the biggest hypnotic lure they can muster... once they profiled you, mirror you and have you reeled in and mind controlled - bam!
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Barbara-- contempt from beginning:
Mon, 03/15/2010 - 15:06 — calamity-g~~~~~~~~
Hi Barbara,
Thanks for responding to that question. It makes sense the way you say it.
It's strange that you ended with "bam." Once my guy had me reeled in, and after I ended the romance but before I went NC, a couple of his rude emails ended with, "Va Va Voom! Bam! Hooray for Hollywood."
Like he knew he was always putting on a show and was so very proud when he managed, in his mind at least, to say something to hurt me.
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Mon, 03/15/2010 - 18:30 — Barbarahe WAS always putting on a show and LOVING hurting you ANY WAY POSSIBLE!!! they GET off on HURTING people!
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TRUST
Tue, 03/09/2010 - 09:22 — rachemy ex psychopath betrayed my trust early in and i haven't trusted anything he says since-thus-he blames ~ME~for being non trusting,suspicious,jealous,paranoid etc........kinda hard to trust someone when they betray you...
ohhhh yeah.........
Sat, 03/06/2010 - 10:08 — narcnarcwhosthere (not verified)the psychonarc REVELED in getting over on people...from the smalled to the biggest way...it was all a turbo thrill...he'd give people wrong directions, including me...then laugh about it...i've seen him lie to people about what time it was...hoping he could inconvenience them in some way...i remember once we had a client coming into town...who had made the mistake of asking the psychonarc the name of the cheapest hotel near the airport...of course he lied..then laughed...'i just cost that cheap bastard 90 bucks...good enough for him'...everything is a game of one up....and lying is one of their favorite ways to play the game.....i hate all of them....all of them.......
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They certainly do not think
Sat, 03/06/2010 - 08:25 — peacewarriorThey certainly do not think of their lying selves as immoral, common con artists, liars or thieves or even engaging in petty theft. They are delusional they are "clever", the smartest person and not a fool like people who actually pay for what they want versus those who steal when others aren't looking.
In Patricia Evans book on the Verbally Abusive Relationship a woman is quoted having said "No one told me not to ever trust my own husband." I beleieve my exmil had sociopathy for she was open how she "volunteered" at church and organizations "all for God" while revealing in her boasting "No siree, I'm no fool...I volunteered at the health clinic...and we never pay for our blood pressure medicine..I am soooo clever..why those poor people aren't gong to take their medicine..why should I spend my own money when I can "get it for free"? Free equals..stealing under false pretenses...stealing a car load of items from the rummage sale...then selling things for profit from her garage. OMG..I hope these "clever" people are suffering in hell even for lying to a coworker to con the "friend" to pay toll money and suffering for the smearing lies of others damaging them.
The exmil used her deceased mother's store credit card..to get the dead woman's discount for ten years before she was caught and ranted they had "some nerve"...credit card fraud..how dare they cancel the account? So much for the paragon of "doing all for God" sociopath.
To be labled "stupid" by such a personality is a backwards compliment!!!
The Pathological Lies is their way of dominating all others
Sat, 03/06/2010 - 09:47 — AmazedYup, the N lies with such ease and dexterity, you never ever know you are being lied to. It is like first nature to them.
One N in my office, I got so sick of being lied to because I know the truth. I got to the point where I knew I was being lied to, and it made be sick day in day out of being lied to every single day, about anything,
However the sociopath N that I was involved with, kept such a secret life, that I never ever perceived his lies.
For years, he lied to me, and to others daily.
I never knew, and it just blew my mind when I found out everything.
Then one day, I heard him telling a group of people about a scar that he had on his left hand. He said it was from a grill, and he burned his hand while barbequing.
As he told this story to about 8 people, and they were all joking and laughing at him, and commenting back,,and I understood.
He got that scar on his hand from ripping my clothes off. And then when the clothes didn't rip when he did this, they cut into his hand, and left a bloody mark, and long scar.
He offered this story to them, and told it without a flinch.
He had such an air of dominance and snide power about him when he told this story. Now I know the truth.